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[theman53]

I would do the compression check before you pull the head.

[R.O.R-2.0]

I would do the compression check before you pull the head.

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its REALLY HARD to check your compression with the head OFF.

if you find a way to check compression without the head, post a write up!

[guy plain]

 just wondering...what dose water do in these 1.6 td,s? can it draw through the filter? and any one ever hear of an injecter sticking? if one was stuck open..over fueling on one cylender it would make all that white smoke and not run worth a crap.... just a quick thought....

[R.O.R-2.0]

just wondering...what dose water do in these 1.6 td,s? can it draw through the filter? and any one ever hear of an injecter sticking? if one was stuck open..over fueling on one cylender it would make all that white smoke and not run worth a crap.... just a quick thought....

water, in big enough doses, kills these diesels.. it indeed can draw thru the filter.

injectors can stick open. its bad news, they get fuel in your oil, and sometimes, can burn a hole right thru the piston..

[burn_your_money]

He tested his injectors on page #1.

To me it still sounds like the pump is 180 out. With the engine at TDC, if you take the pump pulley bolt off where is the slot for the key in the shaft pointing? 8 o'clock or 2 o'clock?

[guy plain]

He tested his injectors on page #1.

oops i missed that....but with lots of white smoke...dosent that sound like unburnt fuel? so if the pump was 180 out you would have that?
 if it was due to low compression (broken rings,valve, ect) wouldnt there be loads of base pressure? dam near blow the dip stick out pressure?
 pressure you would notice with the dip stivk out or oil filler cap off?
there,s alway a bit there but im talking some thing more like wind comming out! lol
 

[ORCoaster]

BYM, Sneaky you, not giving him the right position of the key in the slot until he tells you which position it is in.  I like it. 

Guy, My engine blow by is like the north wind in Canada in the winter.  Blows all the time.  But my engine runs pretty well.  Still plugging at 50 MPG. 

I am wondering as well about the 180 degree thing as he rebuilt the pump.  When I did my pump it still started for some crazy reason with the pump that far out but wouldn't do more than an idle.  Didn't matter if the max fuel screw was bottomed out or not.  Just kind of putted along.

[guy plain]

 true and all that white smoke would or should...could be unburnt fuel...that i have seen before but for real bad reasons...lol and a pump 180 out would dliver the fuel at the wrong time and not get burnt proper... sorry for stating the obvious...but to me... it sounds like the fuels not getting burnt or not fully getting burnt...and im trying to wrap my head around why it isnt..same as every one else...lol
   it will be interesting to finaly find out what the cause is

[R.O.R-2.0]

i think Tyler is on the right track..

[burn_your_money]

BYM, Sneaky you, not giving him the right position of the key in the slot until he tells you which position it is in.  I like it. 

Yeah, I'm a jerk. It should be pointing around the 2 o'clock position. 

I remember Ashley Roe's pump being 180 out for months and it drove "fine" until she had her pump rebuilt and timed properly. Only then did she realize how poorly it was running before. From that I would gather it runs "decent" 180 out if you get it timed just so.

It's not that hard to retime the engine with the pump 180 degrees off of where it is now even if the key is in the right place. As mentioned, if the pump was put together wrong that key may not indicate anything.

[ORCoaster]

You're not a jerk, just making him take off the pulley before answering the question.  Which is what forums are all about.

I would think if his pump turns out to by 180 out, in that he pulls the pulley and duh?  the key is not where it should be then just slap it back together and use the other hole and mark the pulley with a temporary line of sorts.  Or stand on your head to time it.

This is a real potatoe masher this one. 

[grape ice cream]

what do you mean by key?  The lock pin you use to hold the IP gear in place when you time it?

why would i need to pull the gear off to check that?

And i believe its at 4 o clock if understand what your talking about

[R.O.R-2.0]

what do you mean by key?  The lock pin you use to hold the IP gear in place when you time it?

why would i need to pull the gear off to check that?

And i believe its at 4 o clock if understand what your talking about

the woodruff key.. not the pump lock pin. 2 completely different things with 2 completely different functions..

you can check the position of the key by simply removing the nut from the injection pump sprocket, and checking where the keyways location is.. no removal of gear or timing belt required..

[grape ice cream]

I figured out what you meant now, my bad but

It appears to be at 10 o clock?




But this is a NA pump not a TD pump, if that effects key placement

[R.O.R-2.0]

I figured out what you meant now, my bad but

It appears to be at 10 o clock?




But this is a NA pump not a TD pump, if that effects key placement

that makes ZERO difference.. TDC is TDC no matter if its a TD or NA pump.

its been soo long since ive touched that end of a pump, i cant remember if that looks right or not..

please tell me that is not what you use for a pump lock pin? that allen wrench is just sitting there, right?