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Reply #30August 12, 2011, 05:47:27 pm

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2011, 05:47:27 pm »
But I was wondering if this could even cause my car to not run unless its at about full throttle and even then it will only got about 5MPH?

Those symptoms sound like the pump is 180 out, or severe fuel starvation.

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Reply #31August 12, 2011, 05:51:22 pm

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« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2011, 05:51:22 pm »
Bypass the tank and all the lines before the filter and run it off a jerry can.

x2.  Easiest way to eliminate possibility of fuel system restriction/sucking air. 
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Reply #32August 13, 2011, 03:15:27 am

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« Reply #32 on: August 13, 2011, 03:15:27 am »
Bypass the tank and all the lines before the filter and run it off a jerry can.

x2.  Easiest way to eliminate possibility of fuel system restriction/sucking air. 

I'll give that a try tomorrow and see what happens

Reply #33August 13, 2011, 06:46:22 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #33 on: August 13, 2011, 06:46:22 am »

But I was wondering if this could even cause my car to not run unless its at about full throttle and even then it will only got about 5MPH?

Those symptoms sound like the pump is 180 out, or severe fuel starvation.

It ran till he stopped atthe gas station, unlikely his pump went upside down...
Did you fill up?
What is the fuel  like? if you got 80% gas in there, it will run like ass as soon as its the least bit warm.

Reply #34August 13, 2011, 11:19:11 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #34 on: August 13, 2011, 11:19:11 am »
First line of the thread:   Well, i was taking my 1.6td on a little road trip this weekend and after 100 miles stopped at a g station.

But then the pictures of the belt got us to thinking timing.  I wouldn't think it went 180 on him but now the gas for diesel possibility is a reality.  And running it off a bottle bypassing the filter would determine that in a hurry. 

Easy to pull the line off the bottom on the tank and drain.  Sometimes I wonder why VW made that point so accessible.  With diesel prices getting higher all the time I shudder to think someone could just zip that point off and get my fuel.

Reply #35August 13, 2011, 12:24:03 pm

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #35 on: August 13, 2011, 12:24:03 pm »
Good call on gas in tank guys. I had to go rescue a friends powerstroke last year when his mom put 10 gals. on gas in it by mistake.
Really white smoke and no power. I siphoned the 10 gals gas mixed with maybe 5 gals of diesel out, and added 15 gals of diesel
and there was still a hint of white smoke so he topped off the tank and smoking stopped.

Reply #36August 13, 2011, 05:29:19 pm

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2011, 05:29:19 pm »
First line of the thread:   Well, i was taking my 1.6td on a little road trip this weekend and after 100 miles stopped at a g station.

Right, but as I understand he has retimed it since than so it being 180 out is now a possibility. Of course that doesn't explain the initial problems but to me from his last post it sounded like he was describing some new symptoms.

Hooking it up to the jerry can and running it off that will take a while to show if it is gas in the tank because the pump would be full of this gas/diesel mixture and will take a while to mix out.

If you kept your receipt you could just look on that...
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Reply #37August 13, 2011, 11:40:13 pm

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2011, 11:40:13 pm »
True, now that he has tried to "FIX" the problem anything is fair game.  And he was fishing for ideas.  He didn't say how much he added to the tank and given that he only went 100 miles that might not be much.  He may have a diesel/ RUG mix thing going. 

He may have to run several bottles through the IP to get it to be only diesel.  That little thing seems to hold a quart or so.

Will be interesting to see what the outcome of this one is going to be.

I always get a receipt but I see a lot of people that say no to the guy at the pump when he asks.  Oh yeah, this is Oregon calling, you don't and can't pump your own here.  Although I was told by a station attendant that doesn't apply to diesel.  It was for gasoline only.  Might have to look into that.  Has to do with the top off thing, they pull it and shut off the pump on first click, not allowed to top off the tank.  But I wonder about the diesel now.


Reply #38August 14, 2011, 01:22:13 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2011, 01:22:13 am »
Or even if the receipt says diesel it could be bad fuel. My dad had a real similar thing happen. They filled the diesel pump tank up with something that looked like a mix of water with maybe a pinch of gas. It shut down his injectors and junked the tank. Even if it says diesel tested daily I would still look there first
« Last Edit: August 14, 2011, 09:18:53 am by theman53 »

Reply #39August 14, 2011, 02:35:20 am

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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2011, 02:35:20 am »
I did not fill up. so there is no gas in my fuel tank only diesel

Reply #40August 14, 2011, 02:38:38 am

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2011, 02:38:38 am »
also the symptoms are all the same the car will start but only when its at full throttle and it'll be smoking white but if i put it into first it'll only go about 5 MPH, after i drained the oil i started it up and the same symptoms, after i retimed it the same symptoms

Reply #41August 14, 2011, 10:23:37 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2011, 10:23:37 am »
Ok. Any updates on bypassing the tank and lines with a jerry can?

Also, make sure that the fuel filter hasn't rattled loose and that the bleeder is still tight on the fuel filter head.
Tyler

Reply #42August 14, 2011, 10:38:56 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2011, 10:38:56 am »
This is unlikely but you could have bent or broken something with the oil being that far over full. My mom bent a connecting rod in our mower by having it too full of oil and it hydrolocked. It should take far more oil than what you had though. I am just stating this so if you go through all other things you can take the engine down and start measuring connecting rods and inspecting pistons.

Reply #43August 15, 2011, 02:06:42 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2011, 02:06:42 am »
Actually I have a question about the jerry can
When I tested my injectors i assumed the fuel came from the metal lines, so i did not hook up the rubber hoses that link them all together.
This is when I noticed the fuel was coming from where the rubber hose hooked up to the injection pump. 

So my question is what difference would it make if I bypassed the filter because fuel was not coming from that fitting?
Is this normal or am I just over thinking it?

Reply #44August 15, 2011, 02:33:35 am

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Re: Lock up
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2011, 02:33:35 am »
Actually I have a question about the jerry can
When I tested my injectors i assumed the fuel came from the metal lines<right, so i did not hook up the rubber hoses that link them all together.
This is when I noticed the fuel was coming from where the rubber hose hooked up to the injection pump. There are 2 sources of return flow