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General Information => GTG section => Topic started by: R.O.R-2.0 on April 01, 2011, 12:21:21 pm
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Heres a link to the original page, has addresses and directions and such..
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OVER $5000 IN PRIZES
May 7th 2011
Dyno ($50 pre-registered you must preregister to be entered in the give aways $65 day of event)
Show & Shine (free)
Classes (diesel vehicles only):
I'm a Smoke Unlimited (nitrous, basically anything goes)
Highest hp twin turbo
Highest hp single turbo
Highest hp stock (oem) turbo
Guesstimate class (all participants are eligible) - Closest to guess what your actual dyno number will be 1st 2nd & 3rd
You don't need deep pockets to win here! Anyone and everyone that dyno's has a chance to win! Winners of the first 3 categories not allowed to win again in the 'guesstimate class'.
10 minute dyno time slot not including dyno operators setup. Or 3 pulls whichever comes first.
Some duallies may require removal of outer wheels.
If not running in the unlimited class any nitrous bottles must be removed.
Water/methanol injection allowed in all classes.
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any of you guys going?
i imagine you are going too, huh Josh?
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Yep. Taking the truck. ;D
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Hopefully "81 vw pu" will show up and dyno his truck? Same for that Tindas guy in Vancouver thats got the Lysholm SC diesel truck.
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We have our first series drag race at renegade the same day, but the dyno sounds fun as well.
Am I reading correctly about the only class you can use nitrous is the unlimited class? If so that sucks.
(She's a Dull ride without Oxide)
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/dawgsrepo/IMG_0600.jpg)
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my nitrous bottle is empty, otherwise it would be in my car..
i still wanna dyno my car tho, so i have some, if any, bragging rights..
i wish i had a bigger, less restrictive intercooler!
we are just tired of speculating on the power levels of my car.. im hoping to break the 100hp mark. that shouldnt be hard tho.
anyone got a hot lead on somewhere to get a bottle filled for less than a left testicle?
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my nitrous bottle is empty, otherwise it would be in my car..
i still wanna dyno my car tho, so i have some, if any, bragging rights..
i wish i had a bigger, less restrictive intercooler!
we are just tired of speculating on the power levels of my car.. im hoping to break the 100hp mark. that shouldnt be hard tho.
anyone got a hot lead on somewhere to get a bottle filled for less than a left testicle?
midnight auto a ricer? :)
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I might have to go to this... we shall see how the car's running then
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I might have to go to this... we shall see how the car's running then
dude, if you come, there will be big drool stains all over your car when im done with it.. ;D
you should come tho!! it would be a blast to get you on the dyno..
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I might have to go to this... we shall see how the car's running then
dude, if you come, there will be big drool stains all over your car when im done with it.. ;D
you should come tho!! it would be a blast to get you on the dyno..
wear a bib
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my nitrous bottle is empty, otherwise it would be in my car..
i still wanna dyno my car tho, so i have some, if any, bragging rights..
i wish i had a bigger, less restrictive intercooler!
we are just tired of speculating on the power levels of my car.. im hoping to break the 100hp mark. that shouldnt be hard tho.
anyone got a hot lead on somewhere to get a bottle filled for less than a left testicle?
midnight auto a ricer? :)
well, it would help if there were ricers around running N2o..
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I took the truck out for a spin on Saturday for a spring cleaning blast, and DEQ testing for new Reg.
Clean as a whistle. New tags and Reg. for the next two years.
Along the way, saw a Porsche and Ferrari GTG. So I stopped by to check them out, but pulled up next to them and popped my hood. They all came a running to see what the heck was under my hood. "Hey whats that, what does that do, where did you get that?" Funny thing is, is that I built mine, theres was built for them. Nice guys though.
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I took the truck out for a spin on Saturday for a spring cleaning blast, and DEQ testing for new Reg.
Clean as a whistle. New tags and Reg. for the next two years.
Along the way, saw a Porsche and Ferrari GTG. So I stopped by to check them out, but pulled up next to them and popped my hood. They all came a running to see what the heck was under my hood. "Hey whats that, what does that do, where did you get that?" Funny thing is, is that I built mine, theres was built for them. Nice guys though.
having something you built yourself is always cooler than a porsche or ferrari..
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I don't know about that. Yeah having a self built ride is great, but Ferrari, I'd love one either way.
I'm tring to get the NOS hooked up to the truck before the Shoot out. Need some parts though.
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I don't know about that. Yeah having a self built ride is great, but Ferrari, I'd love one either way.
I'm tring to get the NOS hooked up to the truck before the Shoot out. Need some parts though.
my NOS is all there, just extremely empty..
idk if its even gonna be worth putting on tho. i dont have smoke besides right off the line. probably just gona be good for spooling the turbo is all, huh?
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For spooling the turbo off the line and to helping to burn the lost HP out the tail pipe at 5K RPM
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By the way, I did relocate the LDA ref. to the compressor outlet instead of the intake. Not to noticeable on my build.
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By the way, I did relocate the LDA ref. to the compressor outlet instead of the intake. Not to noticeable on my build.
i wasnt sure if it would be noticeable or not. just that you may see SLIGHTLY higher pressures there, so the LDA might come on a half second sooner.
i think the nitrous bottle is gonna get filled up on monday.. then i will have to fill it up again before the soot out im sure..
god, you can burn thru a tank of NOS quick..
i dont have to worry about blowing the head off my block do i? nitrous is tame on diesels isnt it? (my head is still held down with bolts)
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Blow through a bottle. What are you doing? Full throttle NOS pulls for every light and shift :D.
I can only quess is thats its fun, other wise you wouldn't do it, huh?
You can still do damage, only to the head gasket? What do you exspect for stock bolts, head gasket and what not. It would be cool to se if it did blow off at the dyno though ;D.
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Blow through a bottle. What are you doing? Full throttle NOS pulls for every light and shift :D.
I can only quess is thats its fun, other wise you wouldn't do it, huh?
You can still do damage, only to the head gasket? What do you exspect for stock bolts, head gasket and what not. It would be cool to se if it did blow off at the dyno though ;D.
one problem i just thought about while eating breakfast.. idk WTF im gonna do if it breaks. i dont have a way to tow the car back home. or get myself home for that matter..
(i may just buy some head studs between now and then, im still running an 11mm block, if the head lifts, my block is toast)
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Better bring a spare eng. just in case :-\ ;).
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Better bring a spare eng. just in case :-\ ;).
sad thing is, im serious. and now im debating even running, just because im the person that usually has bad luck, if there is bad luck to be found..
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Hey guys, don't worry about making a mess on the dyno, they just oiled down our drag strip yesterday with a talon. Still clicked off a 9.40 though.
Just kidding, hope no one toast their engine. That is a big concern for me if I make the trip, whether to drive the caddy or load it my ramp truck.
I think nitrous on the dyno would work better than a air to air intercooler since there's no airflow through the intercooler to remove heat.
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Hey guys, don't worry about making a mess on the dyno, they just oiled down our drag strip yesterday with a talon. Still clicked off a 9.40 though.
Just kidding, hope no one toast their engine. That is a big concern for me if I make the trip, whether to drive the caddy or load it my ramp truck.
I think nitrous on the dyno would work better than a air to air intercooler since there's no airflow through the intercooler to remove heat.
i was thinking about taking my intercooler out, and running just nitrous as my intercooler..
wheres the best place to shoot it? right before the turbo, or right before the intake plenum?
i run a gasser intake mani, i was thinking about putting the nozzle in the adapter i made for the plenum. (the adapter that the boost hoses hook up to)
i just wanna make sure im not gonna kill my engine cause i shot the nos at the wrong spot in the intake..
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I have my nitrous nozzle in the intake so it doesn't absorb heat from the turbo and piping.
I don't think you will kill your engine from injecting it in a different place though.
The only thing I see killing a headgasket is alot of fuel and alot of nitrous with high boost = high cylinder pressure.
I've had good luck so far with my worn out turboed 1.6na and am up to a 50 shot with no leaks yet.
Nitrous contains something like 30 percent more oxygen than air, so maybe back down the boost some to be on the safe side.
I only run about 12-15 psi boost on nitrous with a stock gasket and headbolts.
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I was planning on mounting mine here.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/IMG00782-20110409-1621.jpg).
I think it might be far enough back to flow evenly into the plenum.
Also mounted the the full throttle switch.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=VID00030-20110409-1619.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=VID00030-20110409-1619.mp4)
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81 vw pu, you got any pics of your install?
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Looks good Josh, If your nozzle location doesn't flow evenly mine sure as hell won't.
Those nozzles have a fan type exit that should disperse the nitrous pretty well if you line up the dimple
on the nozzle with the direction you want the nitrous to spray.
Here's the intake I got from you awhile back and where I put my nozzle (not many options in my setup).
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/dawgsrepo/IMG_0689.jpg)
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Wait, yours is right on top of the manifold. Wheres your tip pointing? If its pointing to the manifold, won't it spry inaccurate?
Where did you mount the solenoid?
I'm thinking here for mine.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/IMG00781-20110409-1620.jpg).
I just ordered a NOS manifold to be able to feed two solenoids.
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I just figured out a cheaper way to "T" the feed lines to solenoids, for $3.60, instead of the $40+ for the stupid manifold >:( ::). Oh well. Still need extra lines and 4an fittings, so still not done.
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The tip is pointed at the valve cover side of the intake, in the stream of air coming from the turbo.
So yes its spraying on the front inside wall of the intake, same as the air coming in.
Solenoid is mounted to the bottom just left of the brake booster where the raintray seal is.
Man I just thought about this after seeing your solenoids and was wondering if the bottle to solenoids/manifold line
will be large enough to flow both stages (mine is-4an same as other line).
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Yeah, the NOS manifold is P shaped. The other way is to use a 1/8"X1/8"X1/8" NTP T used with 90* swivile 4AN fittings would probably be ok.
Plus its all local and not through the web +shipping.
I'm going to mount the tank in the same place as you did for quick placement.
Also turning down the boost to maybe 10psi and going up from there.
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The pipe fittings should work fine. Can't wait to see how the second stage works.
I went out and took a pic of my solenoid mounting, looks like more above the brake booster than to the left of it.
(http://i814.photobucket.com/albums/zz63/dawgsrepo/IMG_0690.jpg)
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Looks like a clean install.
Second stage will engage with a Hobbs swt. Lots of tunning to get it right.
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Oh yea, and don't run any of the braided lines near the battery. I have to replace a line on my refill station in the shop
because it rubbed on the side of a spare battery over the winter. Ate the stainless braided covering right off the line.
Are you going to get a big bottle and refill your own or take it in. I can get a 56lb bottle for about $160.00 here or $5.00 a lb to refill in town.
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Good to know about the battery and lines.
My 10lb bottle is full now but will need to be refilled maybe twice soon enough. I don't plan to refill my own, and hopefully someone can fill it for less than $5 an lb. I dout it but maybe a welder shop can.
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im just gonna shoot it in my plenum adapter, and aim the nozzle at the opposite wall of the intake..
its about 3" closer to the intake than where your nozzle is going josh..
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Today was the dyno day. I have to say, wow. Lots of truck. There was two TDI Jettas, one MK2 TD Jetta, one Volvo 760 TD and me.
I pulled 191HP and 259TQ at 3500 RPM. I'll post up a dyno graph later.
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So the dyno run last week at the Oregon Coar Rollers Diesel dyno day were way off compaired to what I got today at the same dyno I made my first #'s with. The dyno at the diesel GTG was a DynoJet dyno and I think that the opperator had it set up for inertia current not eddy current. The dyno I went to today was a Mustang dyno and was set to run eddy current. What a difference in #'s compaird to enertia current.
I made four pulls. First was with the stock wastegate pressure, 11.5 PSI. Second was with the boost controller set @ low boost then high boost. Fourth pull was with high boost and nitrous.
I'm still waiting for my dyno graphs to be emailed to me but the highest HP and TQ is,
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/IMG00874-20110514-1542.jpg).
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) :'( :'( :'( :'(
Here is a plot.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/IMG00875-20110514-1701.jpg).
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I've got some video of todays pulls but the memory card filled so only the first couple pulls.
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good god!
-Owen
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I know.Thats how I felt when my brother read me the numbers. I reviewed some of the video last night and the first nitrous run made 191HP! (Sorry, that was an uncorrected number)
The video's size is so big (675MB, and 1GB) that it takes for ever to upload, but I've got to post some.
After the first session of pulls, we decided to cgange intercoolers due to the size that was in there was restricking air flow and just heat soaked. So my buddy pulled a bigger intercooler off the shelf, welded some end tanks on it and we installed it. Run all the dyno pulls over again to see the differance. All of the pwr and torque curves start sooner and climb faster.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9uT1WUXmsM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9uT1WUXmsM).
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WOW
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i like how all hot rod VW diesels sound the same on youtube. lol..
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mustangs generally give lower numbers right? with that kind of power you're getting close to 12 second quarters, if it wouldnt already do it. damn
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mustangs generally give lower numbers right? with that kind of power you're getting close to 12 second quarters, if it wouldnt already do it. damn
i think maybe he already ran a few 12's?
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Nope. I havn't ran at the strip yet with this engine setup yet.
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i was thinkin about the old engine then, youve ran that caddy down the track before havent you? i swear you have..
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Yes I have, but different tuning and pump. That was with 88HP 128TQ at a 17.5 in the quarter mile.
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LMFAO, now i remember..
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so i am still kind of scratching my head, you think the 275 is more accurate? there was no differences other than the intercooler and dyno right
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The HP and TQ numbers really didn't change much with the intercooler swap, the pwr curve started sooner and climed faster also the EGTs didn't climb as fast. They still hit 1300 though.
The dyno at the Diesel dyno day, was ran for us VWs with inertia current not eddy current. So the loading of the dyno was different compaired to each other. The dyno I ran on last Saturday was ran eddy current.
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ok nice, so i did some reading on the differences, and its funny to see that typically people get lower numbers on the eddy dyno. i would def say the second numbers are more betterer. awesome work man, get that thing to the drag strip so we can see some numbers that really matter. 8) 8)
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The eddy current numbers are going to be the highest due to the loading of the dyno.
Inertia dyno measures engine power at a vehicle’s wheels based on how fast it can spin heavy drums, an eddy-current dyno adds the ability to simulate a load by using electro-magnets to add resistance to drum spin, as if they were pulling a trailer.
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The eddy current numbers are going to be the highest due to the loading of the dyno.
Inertia dyno measures engine power at a vehicle’s wheels based on how fast it can spin heavy drums, an eddy-current dyno adds the ability to simulate a load by using electro-magnets to add resistance to drum spin, as if they were pulling a trailer.
this is mostly true on a turbo engine where load generates boost corrrect?
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Yes, true.
Think of it as the worlds longest hill climb.
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So I got some dyno plots that I scaned over to my album.
These are the first set with the intercooler that was in the truck.
The graphs start out as stock wastegate (11psi), low setting on boost controller (23psi) and high boost setting (29psi).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0002.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0003.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0005.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0006.jpg).
After intercooler change.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0008.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0009.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0010.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0011.jpg).
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So today I was at the drag strip. Honestly, I was kind of dissappointed in the 1/4 mile times.
First pass was a 16.230 @ 95.33 mph RT is .445. What can I say, I'm learning.
Second pass was a 16.270 @ 100.59 RT is .335
Third pass was a 16.053 @ 99.17 RT is .112
Fourth pass was a dial in @ 16.18 and ran a 16.55 @ 97.85 and the other guy lost, to slow to his dial in time. So I won the first round, but left the show.
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Not bad at all Josh, better than my times. Did you spray any nitrous?
Looks like you got damn good mph, but it doesn't match the ET's.
Whats going on the first half of the track?
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Yes, spraying NOS. First, I was not launching hard, as I want to be able to drive home. ;D Secondly, I got nuthing in first gear, second gear is when I manually switched on the NOS and held it at full throttle threw fourth gear. So the first 60 feet is just getting going.
I'm uploading some videos now.
I've got to get a progressive controller to be able to get off the line sooner/faster.
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Heres two videos of today at the Bugrun in Woodburn, Or.
This was the first run.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn1.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn1.mp4).
Third pass.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn2.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn2.mp4).
This was the last run.
http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn3.mp4 (http://s232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/?action=view¤t=woodburn3.mp4).
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I know what you mean about driving the rig your racing to the track. All your thinking about is not breaking anything.
I haul whatever I'm racing on my ramp truck just in case something goes bad. I tow other people home all the time.
Looking at the videos your loosing some valuable time the first 330ft, but it looks to be pulling hard on the top end.
I would think you could gain a couple more seconds by reving it up and side stepping the clutch off the line (w/ nitrous in 1st).
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Yeah, I'll try that tomorrow some time just to see what happens. Its a dog off the line in the videos huh.
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I don't have a tach, but I estimate I was leaving at 2000-2500 rpm with just a little chirping of the tires.
As soon as I dumped the clutch put throttle on floor to engage nitrous. Mine seemed to have more off the line than the top end.
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the trap speed is killer... the et is not so well, does it spin alot
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i wish i would have watched the videos earlier haha, really boogeys onced you flip on the nitrous
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i know this is old as fock, but i was checking out these dyno plots again, and man it is incredible look at the first one, he makes over 150 hp at only 11 psi, the stock boost setting. over double the stock crank hp at the wheels.
and the second one is 180whp at only 23psi just awesome. the other dynos are sweet too but its really great to point out how much power he is making at what most of us consider low boost. the bottom end is kind of sad but over all damn. anyways i'm done digging this old thread back up haha
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0008.jpg).
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee10/joshmarstall/SCN_0009.jpg).
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Josh himself said he may have been spinning the rollers..
said that him and the dyno guy were gonna replace the belts and run it again, but it never happened..
288whp is ALOT.. sounds too good to be true.
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Honestly they do look a bit curious especially the higher hp ones with the weird shaky parts at the ends. from looking at all his dynos I'd still think its safe to say he has made 200whp no doubt
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I believe the shaking line at the end of the graph is the part when the nitrous probably is farting out the pull and then spinning the tires. Yes spinning the tires as they are the original sized "13 175 x "5 pizza cutters.
Sure, the 288hp/349tq might seem high, but really. A 100hp shot of nitrous on top of what I got for an engine. Its possible.
My truck can blow away one of the new Camaro V6 300hp. no problem. Obviously theres a pwr. to weight ratio that I have in favor.
Thanks for bringing it BTTT.
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i just dont see how josh can make power than nobody else has safely done..
usually much over 200hp from a 1.6, and you are god.. much more than 250 or more, and you are playing with fire..
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I believe the shaking line at the end of the graph is the part when the nitrous probably is farting out the pull and then spinning the tires. Yes spinning the tires as they are the original sized "13 175 x "5 pizza cutters.
Sure, the 288hp/349tq might seem high, but really. A 100hp shot of nitrous on top of what I got for an engine. Its possible.
My truck can blow away one of the new Camaro V6 300hp. no problem. Obviously theres a pwr. to weight ratio that I have in favor.
Thanks for bringing it BTTT.
Yeah I agree but it is enough to raise an eye brow. Hey u built the car right like any body doing a gasser would the turbos a good size to prevent back pressure it's efficient up there at 220hp and the exhaust turbine housing is bigger and supposed to be good for 300hp so when you hit the nitrous and add that extra o2 the exhaust side can handle it. And with 100mph trap speeds it's definitely more believable haha
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i just dont see how josh can make power than nobody else has safely done..
usually much over 200hp from a 1.6, and you are god.. much more than 250 or more, and you are playing with fire..
I think because he has good manifolds that flOw well with a ported head, a good sized turbo that's not blowing out hot air or corking up the exhaust and most of the big power is above 3500-4000, and a 10mm Giles pump woot woot. I wonder if an 11 or 12 would help
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i just dont see how josh can make power than nobody else has safely done..
usually much over 200hp from a 1.6, and you are god.. much more than 250 or more, and you are playing with fire..
I think because he has good manifolds that flOw well with a ported head, a good sized turbo that's not blowing out hot air or corking up the exhaust and most of the big power is above 3500-4000, and a 10mm Giles pump woot woot. I wonder if an 11 or 12 would help
an Ebay T3 manifold is not something i consider to flow well.. ive got one as well.. i think its a JOKE.
my manifolds flow as good or better than joshes.. (tubular turbo header, and dual plenum stock TD)
his power is so high because he has a 300D turbo.. he said it himself that he doesnt like how late the turbo spools..
when his truck is sitting idling, you can not hear a SPEC of turbo scream.. the turbo doesnt even come alive until he throttles it up.
im thinking thats why he builds all his power above 4000 revs..
how many of you guys have actually seen Joshes truck? its a real fuggin sleeper.. completely stock looking, clear down to the OEM VW alloy wheels.. i believe he has tarantulas on it, right josh?
i still love your truck, i just think you should install your VNT that you have been playing around with..
(BTW, im still happy as hell that i bought the 2056 from you.. just gotta get it working right. i had it working good, but then the wastegate can i had operating it seized up)
maybe i will play around with some LOL once i get my 10mm pump built..
i need more fuel bad, i only make ~1200* @ full pedal.. (about 38psi)
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154whp at 11psi lol I wanna see a tdi do that. I like to raise the idea of idi superiority haha
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So this is an AAZ that does 154whp at 11psi? No such thing as IDI superiority lol. A TDI could do the same power on 15% less fuel. ;)
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So this is an AAZ that does 154whp at 11psi? No such thing as IDI superiority lol. A TDI could do the same power on 15% less fuel. ;)
No it's a. 1.6 with aaz head technically using only displacement as a factor an aaz could do 180whp at 11psi. But yeah the tdi wins when it comes to simplicity and fuel economy which is why the entire market went that way. I forget why the sae papers said vw chose the idi it was somewhat to do with noise I gues before they figured out to use pilot injection. It's the revibility that makes that hp possible at such low boost, but I also don't doubt that a tdi could make higher rom power
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Where can I see pictures of this high-hp Caddy and its engine?
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tdi wins when it comes to simplicity
Hows that? The cable I need for engine control is replace with 177 wires...
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tdi wins when it comes to simplicity
Hows that? The cable I need for engine control is replace with 177 wires...
the only way a TDI is even as simple as a IDI, is if its converted to use a mechanical pump..
if its a stock E-TDI, with 177 wires running it, then no, its not simple..
it may be simple compared to a brand new ford 6.7L powersmoke tho..
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Hows that? The cable I need for engine control is replace with 177 wires...
Hardly, the pedal still pulls on a metal braided cable ;)
the only way a TDI is even as simple as a IDI, is if its converted to use a mechanical pump..
if its a stock E-TDI, with 177 wires running it, then no, its not simple..
it may be simple compared to a brand new ford 6.7L powersmoke tho..
Actually, converting to Mechanical TDI is no easy feat either. There was never a 1.9L Mechanical TDI offered, and therefore must be a custom jobby. Yes 4BT, and rover pumps do well.. but they don't do it as well as the stock electronics. Now, putting those 12mm internals in to the stock E-TDI pump whilst remaining electronic with a tune and some huge injectors and turbo.. that'd be pretty sweeeeeeeeeeeet.
LoL. It does not take 177 wires to run an E-TDI. It is still just one wire on the pump head to close/open a solenoid. The wiring is merely for control over timing. Really though, the pump has like a 8 pin connector... half of which are grounds! There is nothing complex about a 1Z/AHU/ALH, unless an EXTREMELY simplistic ECM and some wires scare you. ;D
To prove the simplicity; the electronic DI pump has about 1/8th of internal pieces when compared to an IDI pump, no pre-cups in the head, lower compression, no need for glow plugs (i've started mine at -20c with no plugs), NEVER a head gasket failure, injectors aren't torqued in to the head at 300ft.lbs, no guessing with timing belt tension, pretty much impossible to have a misaligned pump bracket to cause walk-offs..
Need I say more? What is not simple about sensors?? Either they work or they don't, pretty simple.
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So there are 8 wires on the pump connector, but oh wait, what's this talk of sensors???? Are they bluetooth? Do they talk to the pump directly? Does each one not have2+ wires, each having 2-4 connectors subject to corrosion , deformation, and decay?
I'm not afraid of it, check engine lights are my livelihood.
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So there are 8 wires on the pump connector, but oh wait, what's this talk of sensors???? Are they bluetooth? Do they talk to the pump directly? Does each one not have2+ wires, each having 2-4 connectors subject to corrosion , deformation, and decay?
I'm not afraid of it, check engine lights are my livelihood.
Seem pretty damn reliable, when most stock electronic systems outlive the car.. and the engine swap to a different car.
They are your livelihood why? Ease, and simplicity. :)
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So there are 8 wires on the pump connector, but oh wait, what's this talk of sensors???? Are they bluetooth? Do they talk to the pump directly? Does each one not have2+ wires, each having 2-4 connectors subject to corrosion , deformation, and decay?
I'm not afraid of it, check engine lights are my livelihood.
Seem pretty damn reliable, when most stock electronic systems outlive the car.. and the engine swap to a different car.
They are your livelihood why? Ease, and simplicity. :)
the IDI runs no matter what tho..
even after a BIG EMP BLAST, you could make it run..
TDI, doubt it..
simplicity is something that will last thru the apocalypse..
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Guess you didnt read my post eh? The tdi pumps are still one wire. Also even if you had to swap in a mechanical pump itd still be more simple than an old idi.
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Guess you didnt read my post eh? The tdi pumps are still one wire. Also even if you had to swap in a mechanical pump itd still be more simple than an old idi.
the PUMP is controlled by one wire..
the throttle and timing are NOT.
if all the electronics get cooked on a TDI, all it does is IDLE..
thats pretty useless..
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i did mean tdi was simpler when you are talking mtdi mostly because it was directed at 8v. tdi is really not much more complex than an aba if at all. i used to think ew electronics, but electronics have come a long way in the last 30 years the failure rate is quite low, especially considering car electronics which are generally left out in the elements and heat cycled continuously.
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OK well if an EMP comes then yes the ECU is a downfall..
But other than that, the 1.9 TDI in a whole, is in every way better than the 1.6 IDI.
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An E-pump still has almost all the frequently failing parts an M pump does, costs more to replace, and the ECU is almost twice as much as an M pump, yet has no analogue on the IDI car.
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OK well if an EMP comes then yes the ECU is a downfall..
But other than that, the 1.9 TDI in a whole, is in every way better than the 1.6 IDI.
were not talking every way better..
were talking simplicity..
the 1.6 needs NO ELECTRICITY TO RUN if you install a marine fuel solenoid, or take the pill out of the one it has already..
only way a TDI does that, is with a mechanical pump..
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only way a TDI does that, is with a mechanical pump..
BAM. 150% better in every way.