Author Topic: compatible bone yard N/A-Turbo pieces, ect...? (Read 5836 times)

D1ES3L · « **on:** December 17, 2006, 10:19:23 pm »

Hello everyone! I am just recently entering the world of diesel. I am striving to learn as much as i can from you diesel guru's. So thank you in advance for all your knowledgeable tips, suggestions, answers, so on and so forth. I have so many questions, i overwhelm myself.

My goal is to turbo my 1.6 N/A motor. What will i need to do the swap? td pump, td head, td pistons, injectors? or is it not worth the time... I'm trying to source a TD block, but until, and for the time being I need some power to tow my dubs around with the caddy.

I frequent the bone yard often and i come across some cool stuff..
The most recent were some Mercedes TD's. Anyone know if i could use the injectors, pump, turbo, ect.? Also came across two audi 5000 turbo(gas) and saab 900's. Would any of those turbos boost well? I guess im looking for the kkk 24??? I found a kkk 26 on the audi and it looked real nice..

Like I said, any info would be greatly appreciated.. Let me know what i should be on the look out for!
Thanks again

foxracer1 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2006, 10:55:04 pm »

Just find a td pump, intake and exhaust manifold, oil lines, oil pan, intake plumbing, and a few small things. Try one of those merc TD turbos. Just not to turn the fuel up and don't boost it very high 7-10psi? I would run EGT, oil temp, boost press gauges.

burn_your_money · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2006, 11:16:28 pm »

I can get you everything you need

Without the oil squirters for the pistons I wouldn't run very much boost.
Make sure you have upgraded brakes if you are towing

jtanguay · « **Reply #3 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:32:49 am »

look for a good intercooler from the saab's

D1ES3L · « **Reply #4 on:** December 18, 2006, 07:45:34 am »

Quote from: libbybapa

Are you in Maryland or Maine?

Andrew

Ah yes folks, I am prior military and live in Maryland still, but originally from Maine. I figured id share my plate to show my serious devotion and passion of the diesel community. I am trying to sell all of my gas setups currently. Its going real slow right now, but im thinking after the new year it will be easier. I think everyone is broke buying gifts and stuff..

Can i find the original turbo that comes on the 1.6td on any other vehicle?

jake zak · « **Reply #5 on:** December 18, 2006, 11:33:49 am »

email me or post in messages.
I have a 83 turbodiesel engine from a jetta.
it has 168K miles on it.
the tranny went bad about 5 years ago.
almost all the parts are there for the engine(do not have car).

thanks

RabbitJockey · « **Reply #6 on:** December 18, 2006, 12:51:10 pm »

actually without the oil squirters, hes going to want to run more boost and less fuel. if you are just looking for a little more get up and go for your daily driver then get the stock td setup like everyone said but if you're going to want to go faster, i highly suggest getting an aftermarket turbo manifold for an 8v gasser, and running a gas intake manifold with an aftermarket turboand an intercooler, and a stock td injector pump

D1ES3L · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2006, 03:38:27 pm »

I came across a kkk k26 turbo from the audi 5000 and i think a t3 from mercedes td.. any recommendations of these for the 1.6?

D1ES3L · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:33:01 am »

Quote from: libbybapa

No it's too big. It would not spool without lots of fuel.

which one is too big? k26 or t3 from merc td?

thoughts on the k14 for my setup?

Darkness_is_spreading · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2006, 09:48:24 am »

If you want to make this an reliable motor I would not go nut's and add a turbo and intercooler.....

The internals are not built for high temps on NA motors, to make it a proper Turbo Diesel, alot needs to be changed.

The easiest soluton is to find a complete TD motor, and go from there, but you can add on these other parts from a TD. Honestly for a cost stand point, getting a complete TD is the way to go, because all the small pieces and parts really add up.

As for the NA motor, P&P and open the intake, leave the cat for back pressure, and install a nice muffler. Run EGT turn up the fuel and test and tune the NA while you build up the Turbo motor.

speedy · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2006, 03:49:40 pm »

Quote from: burn_your_money

I can get you everything you need

How about me? I need a Jetta TD intake manifold and oil return line.

rabbid79 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 19, 2006, 10:03:56 pm »

Sometimes this place if funny. It seems that whenever somebody asks the 'Can I turbo my N/A motor' question the first person to respond will say Yea, or Nay, and then everybody thereafter will go that general direction, either being all for it, or all against it. Inevitably, about halfway down the tread someone will say 'Just get the TD motor, it's much easier'. I've seen this time and time again, and it always cracks me up.

Here's the proper response: Yes, you can turbo your N/A motor. No, it may not be as reliable as an original TD engine, but are you really trying to get 250,000 miles out of it? Yes, it might cost a lot of money to convert it depending on how many of the parts are used or new. No, you should not go crazy with the boost and fuel. Yes, you should get a 'turbo' fuel injection pump unless you like lots of smoke until the turbo spools. No, oil piston squirters were not sent from the Gods. They lower the piston temperature 30 deg. C., and in my opinion were added because VW didn't want the added cost/complexity of an intercooler.

You will find that a lot of people here have turbo'd their N/A engines, and I haven't heard of anybody having any trouble at realistic boost levels. As was previously recommended, get an EGT gauge, just to keep an eye on things. This is good advice for any turbo'd engine in my opinion.

D1ES3L · « **Reply #12 on:** December 19, 2006, 10:20:57 pm »

Darkness.... I need some get up for towing and to push my way up hills. I dont think adding a turbo and intercooler is going bananas. I would run an oil cooler as well and of course low boost. I don't need to push it. As far as internals go... how different is it? pistons and oil squirters? I havent heard that the crank, rods, pistons, ect are forged. Does your diesel have a CAT? I certainly have'nt seen any diesels running cats so far. Also, why would I run EGT on the NA motor?

thanks for the advice thus far, I'm trying to source a td but they're not the easiest to find, nor cheap.

rabbid79 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 19, 2006, 10:42:57 pm »

Differences between 1.6 N/A and turbo are: Oil squirters, pistons (oil squirter reliefs for sure, but N/A might also be cast. Some TD pistons also have a thermal coating), larger oil pump (15%), oil pan (oil return fitting, and higher capacity in some cases), oil cooler (unless it's an automatic, then it probably already has one), turbo, downpipe, exhaust manifold, intake manifold, air filter box, valve cover (sometimes), oil vapor collector (round thing on valve cover), oil filter flange (needs take-off for oil line to turbo), exhaust valves (either plasma coated or sodium filled), valve seats, higher strength alloy head (just how much stronger/resistant to heat, nobody knows. The pre-ignition chambers might also be more heat resistant.), injectors (breaking pressure is higher), fuel injection pump (LDA for fuel enrichment), fuel injector lines (a couple might be shaped differently to clear the LDA), harmonic balancer (all turbos have one, some N/As don't), strengthened crankshaft (not too much info on this, but I believe both turbo and N/A are forged), misc. hoses, emblems, engine tuning/timing, etc.

bernefj60 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 25, 2007, 09:49:39 am »

Quote from: rabbid79

Sometimes this place if funny. It seems that whenever somebody asks the 'Can I turbo my N/A motor' question the first person to respond will say Yea, or Nay, and then everybody thereafter will go that general direction, either being all for it, or all against it. Inevitably, about halfway down the tread someone will say 'Just get the TD motor, it's much easier'. I've seen this time and time again, and it always cracks me up.

Here's the proper response: Yes, you can turbo your N/A motor. No, it may not be as reliable as an original TD engine, but are you really trying to get 250,000 miles out of it? Yes, it might cost a lot of money to convert it depending on how many of the parts are used or new. No, you should not go crazy with the boost and fuel. Yes, you should get a 'turbo' fuel injection pump unless you like lots of smoke until the turbo spools. No, oil piston squirters were not sent from the Gods. They lower the piston temperature 30 deg. C., and in my opinion were added because VW didn't want the added cost/complexity of an intercooler.

You will find that a lot of people here have turbo'd their N/A engines, and I haven't heard of anybody having any trouble at realistic boost levels. As was previously recommended, get an EGT gauge, just to keep an eye on things. This is good advice for any turbo'd engine in my opinion.

I'm turbo'ing my 1.6 NA and have heard differnet things on the IP's. What's the main difference between the Turbo pump and the NA pump?
Rob