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Having trouble getting engine on time
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Diesel_Zuk
on 26 Jun, 2014 13:57
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So I checked the timing on my ecodiesel, to see if that is why it wasn't starting. I noticed the mark on the flywheel was just slightly past the mark of where it's supposed to be. I took belt off, and tried to correct it, but noticed every time I tensioned the belt, it would turn it just a hair past the mark again. Am I just doing something wrong? I have the cam lock in place, and the pump pinned.
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#1
by
libbydiesel
on 26 Jun, 2014 15:35
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If the crank moves during the belt tensioning process, then you are doing it wrongly. Is the cam sprocket loosened on the shaft?It should be. Did you rotate the crank a few degrees counter-clockwise and then back to TDC without going past so that all of the slack is in the tensioner area? You should have. Pump pin should not be in place when tensioning the belt although there is usually enough slop in the pin that it doesn't matter.
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#2
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 26 Jun, 2014 16:28
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If the crank moves during the belt tensioning process, then you are doing it wrongly. Is the cam sprocket loosened on the shaft?It should be. Did you rotate the crank a few degrees counter-clockwise and then back to TDC without going past so that all of the slack is in the tensioner area? You should have. Pump pin should not be in place when tensioning the belt although there is usually enough slop in the pin that it doesn't matter.
I actually did forget to loosen the cam bolt, maybe that's where I went wrong.
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#3
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libbydiesel
on 26 Jun, 2014 17:23
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If you didn't loosen the cam bolt or pull the pin from the injection pump, then you also didn't do the CCW and then back to TDC without going past. If you don't, then the crank will move and the pump and cam timing will be retarded.
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#4
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 13:10
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How do you get the cam sprocket loose? I broke the bolt loose using the cam lock tool, but I have no way of hitting the back side with a soft faced hammer, as the bentley manual suggests since the back timing plate is there. There is a small hole, and somebody suggested using a small punch, but it is just eating up the sprocket, and I don't want to damage it. What tool do I need?
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#5
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vanbcguy
on 27 Jun, 2014 15:07
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A punch is what I use. Just make sure it is a flat punch, not a point! One good whack is all it takes.
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#6
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theman53
on 27 Jun, 2014 17:01
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Please do not use the cam lock tool to loosen or tighten the cam sprocket bolt. You will eventually break the cam. Hold the cam sprocket with something.
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#7
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 17:12
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Please do not use the cam lock tool to loosen or tighten the cam sprocket bolt. You will eventually break the cam. Hold the cam sprocket with something.
Thanks for the heads up. Any suggestion what to use?
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#8
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 17:13
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A punch is what I use. Just make sure it is a flat punch, not a point! One good whack is all it takes.
I did use a flat punch, still nothing, it is still denting up the sprocket a little bit, I don't want to damage anything.
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#9
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vanbcguy
on 27 Jun, 2014 17:16
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You can get a cam pulley holder tool fairly inexpensively, I got mine at Princess Auto. You can also use a crescent wrench on a cam lobe provided everything is CLEAN.
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#10
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theman53
on 27 Jun, 2014 17:26
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Use a bigger hammer or take a longer swipe at it. Unless someone over torqued it, it will come off but it takes a quick sharp wack.
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#11
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 18:58
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Use a bigger hammer or take a longer swipe at it. Unless someone over torqued it, it will come off but it takes a quick sharp wack.
I got it finally, I got the biggest flattest punch I could fit in the hole, and a big long swipe. Is it normal that there is a little tiny slack in the cam lock tool and the head? I tried my best, but I think that still threw off my timing by a little bit, not sure if it will be a big deal or not.
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#12
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 18:59
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I went to put my starter on, and I ran into this, I don't remember seeing it before, and none of the starter bolts fit through the hole, any idea where it goes? I'm super close to being able to try and start this thing again.
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#13
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vanbcguy
on 27 Jun, 2014 19:52
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Yes, the cam lock tool isn't a tight fit on its own. You are supposed to use a pair of feeler gauges with even thickness under each side to make a snug fit.
I'm guessing that wire is your chassis ground?
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#14
by
Diesel_Zuk
on 27 Jun, 2014 20:12
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I followed it, it goes to the starter. This some beach is driving me crazy. I had the starter rebuilt by a reputable shop, as opposed to buying used. I retimed everything, put starter on, charged battery, and voila!!!! It still cranks extremely slow. I know it is not my engine locked up or anything, I can turn by hand with a ratchet good and smooth.