Filter setup for WMO

[ToddA1]

Wondering if you could make something like a Frantz bypass oil filter setup to run as a full flow.  The fuel set ups are the same as the oil set ups, other than the feed and return orfice sizes, making them full flow. 

There really isn't much to these and they supposedly filter down to 1/10 micron.  The claim was each oil saturated roll was also able to hold 6oz of water.  Your elements would be toilet paper rolls.  Scott 1000 or other tightly wound 1 ply tissues are best choices.  They had a large truck set up that stacked 3 rolls.

It'd probably be wise to let your holding tanks settle for a week or so, filter coarse to fine and then through the set up.  Warming the tanks would also speed the process.

-Todd

[R.O.R-2.0]

5 micron filters are overkill..

2 micron filters are REALLY overkill..

1/10th micron filters? holy shizz...

cheap elements, but damn.. they gonna clog alot..

[8v-of-fury]

1 micron may be overkill for diesel fuel, but it is needed for WMO from my readings.

Plus they are large filter bags, they are cheap and reuseable. I have read of someone using those exact ones for a thousand or more gallons.

[ToddA1]

1/10th micron filters? holy shizz...

cheap elements, but damn.. they gonna clog alot..

That's why I mentioned filtering from coarse to fine.  When I researched the subject of WMO, spinning the oil was the prefered and fastest method, but multiple sessions were still needed to get the WMO to the 1 micron or cleaner level. 

I've spoken to several people who just ran their settled oil through whole house filters and claimed to never have issues.  I was always leary of this...

Off topic, but I own 2 NOS Frantz units and plan on running at least 1 as an oil bypass filter.  I'm on the fence about if I want to filter my fuel.  Ever see this thread(?):

http://www.cumminsforum.com/articles/articles/18/1/Anatomy-of-a-Frantz-toilet-paper-bypass-oil-filter/Page1.html

-Todd

[8v-of-fury]

20,000M on his oil and he is still below the universal average for your typical oil changes. Amazing.

It would do the same I guess to get down in to the sub micron level. I may just have to incorporate one in to my oil system .

As for the WMO, there is a dude on TDIclub telling me running motor oil with additives will coke everything up like the pump, injectors, and the rings. How? the fuel will be "cleaner" than diesel.

[ToddA1]

20,000M on his oil and he is still below the universal average for your typical oil changes. Amazing.

I love the fact that you don't see soot in his oil.  When I first saw that thread, I started researching then hunting those filters.

As for the WMO, there is a dude on TDIclub telling me running motor oil with additives will coke everything up like the pump, injectors, and the rings. How? the fuel will be "cleaner" than diesel.

Oil with additives?  Who runs non detergent oil, nowadays?  Since youre asking around on TDI Club, im guessing you're planning on running this on your AHU?  I didn't really think about it before, but most people doing alternative fuels are usually IDI. 

The only thing I'd be leery of would be the temperature and ratio of the oil that you burn.  Kind of like the effects of cold vegetable oil not atomizing and combusting properly.

-Todd

[8v-of-fury]

I like the Frantz idea. I will be getting one surely. I may not go 20k miles on an oil change.. but maybe 10k lol

Yes on the AHU, I see no reason why there would be any issue on a DI? People do alternative fuels in Cummins motors without issue no? If anything I'd think the DI would make everything atomize better and more fully being directly injected in to the piston cup. But alas, I am new to the world of Alternative Fuels.. so I am just learning Please be patient as we all learn collectively. lol

[R.O.R-2.0]

I like the Frantz idea. I will be getting one surely. I may not go 20k miles on an oil change.. but maybe 10k lol

Yes on the AHU, I see no reason why there would be any issue on a DI? People do alternative fuels in Cummins motors without issue no? If anything I'd think the DI would make everything atomize better and more fully being directly injected in to the piston cup. But alas, I am new to the world of Alternative Fuels.. so I am just learning Please be patient as we all learn collectively. lol

my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..

i NEED a frantz filter..

my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..

its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it.. 

[mtrans]

I use pressure CF and for 5 yr I never have problem with FF.

[R.O.R-2.0]

I use pressure CF and for 5 yr I never have problem with FF.

huh what?

[mtrans]

Fuel Filter,I am still learn English (25 yr) LOL,that is easy for me.

[ToddA1]

my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..

i NEED a frantz filter..

my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..

its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it.. 

What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long?  I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it.  I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.

-Todd

[8v-of-fury]

my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..

i NEED a frantz filter..

my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..

its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it.. 

What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long?  I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it.  I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.

-Todd

Yeah really, I usually go 3500 miles on my changes as well.. but other than the oil being black.. its still got the properties of new oil.

[ToddA1]

Oh, and btw...  I'm unsure about the Cummins DI guys and alternative fuels.  I've just read that the early IDI VW guys usually state that the WMO better suits the IDI engines. 

Maybe the fact that the AHU is still a VE pump is the difference between the later styled TDIs.

-Todd

[R.O.R-2.0]

my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..

i NEED a frantz filter..

my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..

its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it.. 

What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long?  I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it.  I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.

-Todd

my engine gets HOT when i boost it up.. it sees 1600* pretty easy..

no piston cooler jets either.. or oil cooler..

my oil gets worn out in 3500 miles..

its not quite as bad as it was with the K24, or the VNT15 (it actually didnt sheen off the drainplug last time i changed it)

but it still wears the oil out.. and fills it with soot..