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#30
by
ToddA1
on 17 Aug, 2012 18:29
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Wondering if you could make something like a Frantz bypass oil filter setup to run as a full flow. The fuel set ups are the same as the oil set ups, other than the feed and return orfice sizes, making them full flow.
There really isn't much to these and they supposedly filter down to 1/10 micron. The claim was each oil saturated roll was also able to hold 6oz of water. Your elements would be toilet paper rolls. Scott 1000 or other tightly wound 1 ply tissues are best choices. They had a large truck set up that stacked 3 rolls.
It'd probably be wise to let your holding tanks settle for a week or so, filter coarse to fine and then through the set up. Warming the tanks would also speed the process.
-Todd
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#31
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 22 Aug, 2012 11:26
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5 micron filters are overkill..
2 micron filters are REALLY overkill..
1/10th micron filters? holy shizz...
cheap elements, but damn.. they gonna clog alot..
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#32
by
8v-of-fury
on 22 Aug, 2012 12:45
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1 micron may be overkill for diesel fuel, but it is needed for WMO from my readings.
Plus they are large filter bags, they are cheap and reuseable. I have read of someone using those exact ones for a thousand or more gallons.
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#33
by
ToddA1
on 22 Aug, 2012 15:46
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1/10th micron filters? holy shizz...
cheap elements, but damn.. they gonna clog alot..
That's why I mentioned filtering from coarse to fine. When I researched the subject of WMO, spinning the oil was the prefered and fastest method, but multiple sessions were still needed to get the WMO to the 1 micron or cleaner level.
I've spoken to several people who just ran their settled oil through whole house filters and claimed to never have issues. I was always leary of this...
Off topic, but I own 2 NOS Frantz units and plan on running at least 1 as an oil bypass filter. I'm on the fence about if I want to filter my fuel. Ever see this thread(?):
http://www.cumminsforum.com/articles/articles/18/1/Anatomy-of-a-Frantz-toilet-paper-bypass-oil-filter/Page1.html-Todd
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#34
by
8v-of-fury
on 22 Aug, 2012 16:52
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20,000M on his oil and he is still below the universal average for your typical oil changes. Amazing.
It would do the same I guess to get down in to the sub micron level. I may just have to incorporate one in to my oil system
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As for the WMO, there is a dude on TDIclub telling me running motor oil with additives will coke everything up like the pump, injectors, and the rings. How? the fuel will be "cleaner" than diesel.
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#35
by
ToddA1
on 22 Aug, 2012 17:36
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20,000M on his oil and he is still below the universal average for your typical oil changes. Amazing.
I love the fact that you don't see soot in his oil. When I first saw that thread, I started researching then hunting those filters.
As for the WMO, there is a dude on TDIclub telling me running motor oil with additives will coke everything up like the pump, injectors, and the rings. How? the fuel will be "cleaner" than diesel.
Oil with additives? Who runs non detergent oil, nowadays? Since youre asking around on TDI Club, im guessing you're planning on running this on your AHU? I didn't really think about it before, but most people doing alternative fuels are usually IDI.
The only thing I'd be leery of would be the temperature and ratio of the oil that you burn. Kind of like the effects of cold vegetable oil not atomizing and combusting properly.
-Todd
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#36
by
8v-of-fury
on 22 Aug, 2012 17:44
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I like the Frantz idea. I will be getting one surely. I may not go 20k miles on an oil change.. but maybe 10k
lol
Yes on the AHU, I see no reason why there would be any issue on a DI? People do alternative fuels in Cummins motors without issue no? If anything I'd think the DI would make everything atomize better and more fully being directly injected in to the piston cup. But alas, I am new to the world of Alternative Fuels.. so I am just learning
Please be patient as we all learn collectively. lol
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#37
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 23 Aug, 2012 11:07
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I like the Frantz idea. I will be getting one surely. I may not go 20k miles on an oil change.. but maybe 10k lol
Yes on the AHU, I see no reason why there would be any issue on a DI? People do alternative fuels in Cummins motors without issue no? If anything I'd think the DI would make everything atomize better and more fully being directly injected in to the piston cup. But alas, I am new to the world of Alternative Fuels.. so I am just learning Please be patient as we all learn collectively. lol
my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..
i NEED a frantz filter..
my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..
its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it..
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#38
by
mtrans
on 23 Aug, 2012 12:14
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I use pressure CF and for 5 yr I never have problem with FF.
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#39
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 23 Aug, 2012 13:03
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I use pressure CF and for 5 yr I never have problem with FF.
huh what?
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#40
by
mtrans
on 24 Aug, 2012 11:04
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Fuel Filter,I am still learn English (25 yr) LOL,that is easy for me.
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#41
by
ToddA1
on 25 Aug, 2012 18:53
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my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..
i NEED a frantz filter..
my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..
its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it..
What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long? I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it. I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.
-Todd
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#42
by
8v-of-fury
on 25 Aug, 2012 18:55
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my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..
i NEED a frantz filter..
my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..
its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it..
What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long? I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it. I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.
-Todd
Yeah really, I usually go 3500 miles on my changes as well.. but other than the oil being black.. its still got the properties of new oil.
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#43
by
ToddA1
on 25 Aug, 2012 19:03
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Oh, and btw... I'm unsure about the Cummins DI guys and alternative fuels. I've just read that the early IDI VW guys usually state that the WMO better suits the IDI engines.
Maybe the fact that the AHU is still a VE pump is the difference between the later styled TDIs.
-Todd
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#44
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 28 Aug, 2012 12:48
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my IDI wears out a change of oil in roughly 3500 miles..
i NEED a frantz filter..
my oil isnt even oil anymore, when i change it in the IDI..
its black like tar, and it sheens off the drain plug like water when i drain it..
What are you doing to your engine; are you on dirt roads all day long? I do 5k oil changes and it looks like hot, black oil when I change it. I'm planning on stretching to at least 10k.
-Todd
my engine gets HOT when i boost it up.. it sees 1600* pretty easy..
no piston cooler jets either.. or oil cooler..
my oil gets worn out in 3500 miles..
its not quite as bad as it was with the K24, or the VNT15 (it actually didnt sheen off the drainplug last time i changed it)
but it still wears the oil out.. and fills it with soot..