clutch slipping!! need sources for aftermarket upgraded clutches

[R.O.R-2.0]

I run a sachs 16v PP and 210 disc with my 1z in the cabriolet and it has no problem hooking up
The 16v originally came on sciroccos and some jettas/golfs of the 87/88/89 vintage the 210 disc came on rabbits,jettas,golfs everything but the diesel from about 84 on and flywheel you can do from any of the 16v or even 8v mk3 cars just make sure its marked for TDC before installing it as some only have advanced timing marks!

just stock stuff? no crazy disc?

MAKE SURE THE MK3 FLYWHEELS HAVE 2 ALIGNMENT DOWELS IF YOU TRY USING ONE. some only have one alignment dowel, and if your not sure, you can have the TDC mark me about 60* from where its supposed to be. also, the mk3 8v flywheels are HEAVY, the same weight as stock diesel flywheels.. mk1/2 210mm flywheels are all roughly the same weight tho, and are lighter than the stock diesel flywheels.. i consider a gasser flywheel on a diesel to be basically a "light weight flywheel" theres no way i would ever use an actual LIGHTENED FLYWHEEL on a diesel tho.. ask Powered By Spearco about light weight flywheels on a diesel..

well, i think my disk has stock style lining on it, idk what the rebuilder used tho..

stock pressure plate as was factory on a 16v engine from VW. same with the flywheel.

my clutch, flywheel, and pressure plate all have VW/Audi logos on them..

it hooks up awesome, and has never slipped yet for me..

wont even slip when dropping the clutch with 15 psi boost already built up when changing gears. the tires just spin..

all 020 flywheels are the same outside diameter, and all have the same ring gear, and starter spacing/positioning FWIW..

[bgbmxer]

I run a sachs 16v PP and 210 disc with my 1z in the cabriolet and it has no problem hooking up
The 16v originally came on sciroccos and some jettas/golfs of the 87/88/89 vintage the 210 disc came on rabbits,jettas,golfs everything but the diesel from about 84 on and flywheel you can do from any of the 16v or even 8v mk3 cars just make sure its marked for TDC before installing it as some only have advanced timing marks!

just stock stuff? no crazy disc?

MAKE SURE THE MK3 FLYWHEELS HAVE 2 ALIGNMENT DOWELS IF YOU TRY USING ONE. some only have one alignment dowel, and if your not sure, you can have the TDC mark me about 60* from where its supposed to be. also, the mk3 8v flywheels are HEAVY, the same weight as stock diesel flywheels.. mk1/2 210mm flywheels are all roughly the same weight tho, and are lighter than the stock diesel flywheels.. i consider a gasser flywheel on a diesel to be basically a "light weight flywheel" theres no way i would ever use an actual LIGHTENED FLYWHEEL on a diesel tho.. ask Powered By Spearco about light weight flywheels on a diesel..

well, i think my disk has stock style lining on it, idk what the rebuilder used tho..

stock pressure plate as was factory on a 16v engine from VW. same with the flywheel.

my clutch, flywheel, and pressure plate all have VW/Audi logos on them..

it hooks up awesome, and has never slipped yet for me..

wont even slip when dropping the clutch with 15 psi boost already built up when changing gears. the tires just spin..

all 020 flywheels are the same outside diameter, and all have the same ring gear, and starter spacing/positioning FWIW..

yea but if im using a flywheel off a mk3 wouldnt that be a different diameter? if im going from 200 to 210mm or whatever the sizes are something has to change to hold the bigger disc. so what all works with what?

am i basically looking for a newer flywheel and using the older 16v clutch?

[fatmobile]

Right, you have to get a 210mm flywheel and pressure plate, about any VW, liquid-cooled, gasser with an 020 will have one.
MK3 flywheels had 2 pins while others had 1 pin, to clock the flywheel/pressure plate.
 New clutch kits usually include the pressure plate, so you are looking for a used 210mm flywheel and someone to surface it.
 The clutch disc, which is also 210mm, is determined by your trany.
 A trany for an 8V engine has a smaller main shaft, so the clutch disc needs the smaller center hole.

[R.O.R-2.0]

I run a sachs 16v PP and 210 disc with my 1z in the cabriolet and it has no problem hooking up
The 16v originally came on sciroccos and some jettas/golfs of the 87/88/89 vintage the 210 disc came on rabbits,jettas,golfs everything but the diesel from about 84 on and flywheel you can do from any of the 16v or even 8v mk3 cars just make sure its marked for TDC before installing it as some only have advanced timing marks!

just stock stuff? no crazy disc?

MAKE SURE THE MK3 FLYWHEELS HAVE 2 ALIGNMENT DOWELS IF YOU TRY USING ONE. some only have one alignment dowel, and if your not sure, you can have the TDC mark me about 60* from where its supposed to be. also, the mk3 8v flywheels are HEAVY, the same weight as stock diesel flywheels.. mk1/2 210mm flywheels are all roughly the same weight tho, and are lighter than the stock diesel flywheels.. i consider a gasser flywheel on a diesel to be basically a "light weight flywheel" theres no way i would ever use an actual LIGHTENED FLYWHEEL on a diesel tho.. ask Powered By Spearco about light weight flywheels on a diesel..

well, i think my disk has stock style lining on it, idk what the rebuilder used tho..

stock pressure plate as was factory on a 16v engine from VW. same with the flywheel.

my clutch, flywheel, and pressure plate all have VW/Audi logos on them..

it hooks up awesome, and has never slipped yet for me..

wont even slip when dropping the clutch with 15 psi boost already built up when changing gears. the tires just spin..

all 020 flywheels are the same outside diameter, and all have the same ring gear, and starter spacing/positioning FWIW..

yea but if im using a flywheel off a mk3 wouldnt that be a different diameter? if im going from 200 to 210mm or whatever the sizes are something has to change to hold the bigger disc. so what all works with what?

am i basically looking for a newer flywheel and using the older 16v clutch?

190mm, 200mm, and 210mm flywheels are ALL THE SAME outside diameter.. the ring gears are all the same, starter positionging same..

the INSIDE diameter of the flywheel determines the clutch it takes..

[bgbmxer]

Right, you have to get a 210mm flywheel and pressure plate, about any VW, liquid-cooled, gasser with an 020 will have one.
MK3 flywheels had 2 pins while others had 1 pin, to clock the flywheel/pressure plate.
 New clutch kits usually include the pressure plate, so you are looking for a used 210mm flywheel and someone to surface it.
 The clutch disc, which is also 210mm, is determined by your trany.
 A trany for an 8V engine has a smaller main shaft, so the clutch disc needs the smaller center hole.

so a mk3 flywheel from the jy. and a new clutch from the years you posted earlier would work? for the sciracco

[R.O.R-2.0]

Right, you have to get a 210mm flywheel and pressure plate, about any VW, liquid-cooled, gasser with an 020 will have one.
MK3 flywheels had 2 pins while others had 1 pin, to clock the flywheel/pressure plate.
 New clutch kits usually include the pressure plate, so you are looking for a used 210mm flywheel and someone to surface it.
 The clutch disc, which is also 210mm, is determined by your trany.
 A trany for an 8V engine has a smaller main shaft, so the clutch disc needs the smaller center hole.

so a mk3 flywheel from the jy. and a new clutch from the years you posted earlier would work? for the sciracco

well, if you want a stock weight flywheel, yea, go for mk3..

i, personally tho, like the mk2 flywheel..

better yet, what kinda car is it going into?

i wouldnt do a mk2 flywheel unless the engine is going in a small car. i wouldnt use a mk2 flywheel on a mk3 tho..

[BigVWman]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

[R.O.R-2.0]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

 he shouldnt have to worry about anything.. its an 84.. should have the diesel/8v small shaft..

only the 16v, and mk3s got the big input shaft..

its easy if you have a mk3 trans, you just order a full 16v clutch..

[bgbmxer]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

 he shouldnt have to worry about anything.. its an 84.. should have the diesel/8v small shaft..

only the 16v, and mk3s got the big input shaft..

its easy if you have a mk3 trans, you just order a full 16v clutch..

yea and your telling me to order a sixteen valve clutch also. i have been told there were flywheels on the canadian diesels that were 210mm

[R.O.R-2.0]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

 he shouldnt have to worry about anything.. its an 84.. should have the diesel/8v small shaft..

only the 16v, and mk3s got the big input shaft..

its easy if you have a mk3 trans, you just order a full 16v clutch..

yea and your telling me to order a sixteen valve clutch also. i have been told there were flywheels on the canadian diesels that were 210mm

well, heres the thing.. a mk3 diesel clutch setup, and a 16v clutch setup are the SAME THING, except that the 16v kit comes with a tougher pressure plate..

the flywheels on ALL CANADIAN turbo diesels (1.6 & 1.9) were 210mm.. so idk what you are trying to accomplish by using the AAZ clutch setup..

[bgbmxer]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

 he shouldnt have to worry about anything.. its an 84.. should have the diesel/8v small shaft..

only the 16v, and mk3s got the big input shaft..

its easy if you have a mk3 trans, you just order a full 16v clutch..

yea and your telling me to order a sixteen valve clutch also. i have been told there were flywheels on the canadian diesels that were 210mm

well, heres the thing.. a mk3 diesel clutch setup, and a 16v clutch setup are the SAME THING, except that the 16v kit comes with a tougher pressure plate..

the flywheels on ALL CANADIAN turbo diesels (1.6 & 1.9) were 210mm.. so idk what you are trying to accomplish by using the AAZ clutch setup..

the correct timing marks and other than i need the clutch for the smaller input shaft...

[R.O.R-2.0]

one little additional thing to look for is trans input shaft size relationship to the clutch disc. Some trans have large input shafts some smaller just make sure the clutch disc you order is the one that fits what you have. 210mm clutch comes in both.

 he shouldnt have to worry about anything.. its an 84.. should have the diesel/8v small shaft..

only the 16v, and mk3s got the big input shaft..

its easy if you have a mk3 trans, you just order a full 16v clutch..

yea and your telling me to order a sixteen valve clutch also. i have been told there were flywheels on the canadian diesels that were 210mm

well, heres the thing.. a mk3 diesel clutch setup, and a 16v clutch setup are the SAME THING, except that the 16v kit comes with a tougher pressure plate..

the flywheels on ALL CANADIAN turbo diesels (1.6 & 1.9) were 210mm.. so idk what you are trying to accomplish by using the AAZ clutch setup..

the correct timing marks and other than i need the clutch for the smaller input shaft...

well, ive only ever seen one flywheel with no timing mark, and it was aftermarket.. every other flywheel ive laid hands on, has the TDC mark..

are you sure the AAZ got the small input shaft? i swear they had the bigger main shaft? AAZ clutch kit wont have the heavy duty 16v pressure plate tho..

[BigVWman]

I have seen a few usually gassers marked with advance mark and  no tdc it will boggle the mind when trying to use one on a diesel till you figure it out! I only mentioned it since he was talking about getting a JY flywheel something to be aware of. I'm with ROR though aaz i would think would be big shaft and not fit if op has an 84. Its really not as difficult as this long thread would imply!

http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1989-VOLKSWAGEN-Jetta--Gli--16--valve/l4_1.8l_pl-Clutch--Components&yearid=1989%40%401989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1283150%40%40JETTA+GLI+16-VALVE%2FL4_1%2E8L_PL%40%40JETTA+GLI+16-VALVE&catid=Clutch+Components&subcatid=Clutch%20Cover&mode=PA

http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1989-VOLKSWAGEN-Golf--/l4_1.8l_rv-Clutch--Components&yearid=1989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1369504%40%40GOLF+%2FL4_1%2E8L_RV%40%40GOLF&catid=Clutch+Components&subcatid=Clutch%20Disc&mode=PA
http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=&yearid=1989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1369504%40%40GOLF+%2FL4_1%2E8L_RV%40%40GOLF&keyword=flywheel&subcatid=Flywheel@@Crankshaft%2FConnecting+Rod&mode=PA

[R.O.R-2.0]

I have seen a few usually gassers marked with advance mark and  no tdc it will boggle the mind when trying to use one on a diesel till you figure it out! I only mentioned it since he was talking about getting a JY flywheel something to be aware of. I'm with ROR though aaz i would think would be big shaft and not fit if op has an 84. Its really not as difficult as this long thread would imply!

http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1989-VOLKSWAGEN-Jetta--Gli--16--valve/l4_1.8l_pl-Clutch--Components&yearid=1989%40%401989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1283150%40%40JETTA+GLI+16-VALVE%2FL4_1%2E8L_PL%40%40JETTA+GLI+16-VALVE&catid=Clutch+Components&subcatid=Clutch%20Cover&mode=PA

http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=1989-VOLKSWAGEN-Golf--/l4_1.8l_rv-Clutch--Components&yearid=1989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1369504%40%40GOLF+%2FL4_1%2E8L_RV%40%40GOLF&catid=Clutch+Components&subcatid=Clutch%20Disc&mode=PA
http://www.fap99.com/ShopByVehicle.epc?q=&yearid=1989&makeid=VOLKSWAGEN%40%40VOLKSWAGEN%40%40X&engineid=1369504%40%40GOLF+%2FL4_1%2E8L_RV%40%40GOLF&keyword=flywheel&subcatid=Flywheel@@Crankshaft%2FConnecting+Rod&mode=PA

amen to that brother..

i didnt know we needed a thread about stock clutch selection..

[bgbmxer]

yep still confused. all i know is i have an 84 with a 020 trans. id like a flywheel with the correct tdc marks and a better clutch and now im more confused then when i started