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February 22, 2011, 12:46:41 pm

tskm2

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N/A pump mod for this setup??
« on: February 22, 2011, 12:46:41 pm »
now i start new build engine setup
convert 1.6 n/a to 1.6 td

setup:
k03 with manifold  (and i have t3 mint with is manifold too)
1.6 td intake
custom oil feed line and return to the oil pan
fmic (wait for piping)
external engine oil cooler
and custom big exhaust line (after engine is finish)
n/a oil pump (but probably change for big one td)
ans no oil squirter

but i would run the N/A pump for my setup,  i have one mint in storage box, what the best easy mod for this pump?
some people run the N/A pump but nothing speak what mod is put on, i would run the stock boost on my setup (7psi) or bit up
thanks
maxime
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Reply #1February 22, 2011, 01:47:19 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 01:47:19 pm »
The Ecodiesel was a turbo diesel motor with an NA pump. The only other difference was the pump utilized a 8mm plunger (I think its the plunger) vs the NA/Turbo that used a 9mm. So yes, you can do this. It will be a clean burning diesel engine, and yes, you will have a power gain out of it just not as much as if it were a turbo pump.

The turbo pumps have a diaphram that responds to boost from the turbo and increases fueling based on boost. At least, this is how I understand it to work.

Reply #2February 22, 2011, 02:01:27 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 02:01:27 pm »
Yes I know, but I wonder if there would be a good mod has to bring on the N/A pump for better power range, quick power

Reply #3February 22, 2011, 02:02:55 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 02:02:55 pm »
Governor mod/advance spring mod comes to mind. There is only so much you can do to an NA pump. There is also Giles, who could build you an NA super pump, but he's going to tell you if you want real power with a turbo motor to use a turbo pump, although I did ask him about using an NA super pump on a turbo motor and he said it would be an extremely clean efficient engine with decent power.

Reply #4February 22, 2011, 02:14:27 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 02:14:27 pm »
you have link for the advance spring mod? ou is the same to de governor mod

Reply #5February 22, 2011, 02:17:05 pm

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 02:17:05 pm »
I don't have the link available but if you use the forum's search function for governor mod and advance spring mod you should find a myriad of information on both. Im pretty sure they may even be stickies in one of the forums.

Reply #6February 22, 2011, 04:21:11 pm

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 04:21:11 pm »
ok i find! thanks

and for oil pump? with D one, its good to drive this setup, or need abselutly one from TD ?

Reply #7February 22, 2011, 06:01:24 pm

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 06:01:24 pm »
The link in my SIG, I compiled all the best ideas for a Governor Mod.

Reply #8February 22, 2011, 06:18:47 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 06:18:47 pm »
just do the governor mod and turn up the fueling slightly,  an na pump can put out the same amount of fuel as a td pump, td pumps just limit fueling off boost.
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Reply #9February 23, 2011, 08:28:06 am

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2011, 08:28:06 am »
i would run the TD oil pump, it has 36mm gears instead of 30s.

and you basically have the same basic build as what i drive around every day..

i got nothing more than a n/a fuel pump.
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #10February 23, 2011, 09:17:21 am

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2011, 09:17:21 am »
thanks all!

i post some pic in my build up progress, now i search for pickup a 36mm oilpump from td to test it in my D block
maxime

Reply #11February 23, 2011, 09:22:21 am

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2011, 09:22:21 am »
for the EXACT mod for the advance spring timing...any have a link for diy ?

Reply #12February 23, 2011, 09:26:51 am

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 09:26:51 am »
you should worry about modifying something else before the timing spring.. you arent gonna notice much, if any difference unless you have some other supporting mods too..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #13February 23, 2011, 02:56:26 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 02:56:26 pm »
and for mod to governor? ist a good mod or not? because this engine dot not rev up to 4000-4500rpm..

Reply #14February 23, 2011, 05:34:14 pm

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Re: N/A pump mod for this setup??
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 05:34:14 pm »
Doing the governor mod will allow this engine to reach rpms capable of floating valves, and rollers in the pump... 5800+ easy.