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October 01, 2010, 12:10:39 am

Alcaid

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W terminal output? PWM?
« on: October 01, 2010, 12:10:39 am »
Hi,

does anyone know what the output is on the W terminal on the alternator? Is it PWM with varying duty cycle? At what voltage?
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Reply #1October 01, 2010, 09:50:31 am

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2010, 09:50:31 am »
It's an alternating current source from one of the windings before the alternator diodes.

This allows you to determine the engine speed on a diesel engine based on the frequency of the current (with a tachometer designed for this). Even the cars that didn't have tachometers had some dashboard functions that required an input for engine speed.

Reply #2October 01, 2010, 09:59:17 am

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2010, 09:59:17 am »
It's an 8 V RMS square wave... frequency dependent on RPM.  There's a thread with oscilloscope pictures... I'll see if I can find it.

EDIT: here it is: http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=13499.0

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Reply #3October 01, 2010, 10:01:30 am

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2010, 10:01:30 am »
That would be excellent! So duty cycle is constant then (50%?) and the frequency is the variable?
'03 VW Golf PD130 4Motion Highline
'10 VW Passat 1.6TDI Highline
'83 VW Jetta 1.6TD, 11mm pump, H-beam rods, girdle, fully reworked AAZ head +++ Going Compound ;)

Reply #4October 01, 2010, 10:12:34 am

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2010, 10:12:34 am »
Yup... it's really just one leg of the alternator's winding before rectification, so a square wave.
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Reply #5October 01, 2010, 01:57:40 pm

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2010, 01:57:40 pm »
I don't know what you want it for but I'm getting a more accurate engine speed signal from he pressure switch mounted in the pump head.

It's a normally closed switch and triggers at twice crank speed so perfect to drive a gas tacho with no conditioning - just a 12v supply.

For my application I'm taking the 30 - 230Hz signal to a LM2917 F-V converter to give a 0-5 signal for an ADC to sample

Reply #6October 01, 2010, 02:00:50 pm

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Re: W terminal output? PWM?
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 02:00:50 pm »
Actually, i have a plan to build a VNT controller to control a GTB2056VK turbo on a 1.6TD, so rpm input is needed. ;)
'03 VW Golf PD130 4Motion Highline
'10 VW Passat 1.6TDI Highline
'83 VW Jetta 1.6TD, 11mm pump, H-beam rods, girdle, fully reworked AAZ head +++ Going Compound ;)