The old blue rebuild (1983 1.6 TD)

[Baron VonZeppelin]

That car is on first or second row.
Seems it was right hand side of first row - about midway.

mk2 has a lil more fenderwell room than mk1 - but idunno for sure if the IM shaft will come out or not. Probly not. But a good look will tell. Too lazy to walk out and up to car with a light. And the dogs will start up barking and crap.

Good luck in Gboro, pretty good place to deal with.
Costs $1 to get inside.
Ask about any upcoming special deal days.
They haven't done any in a while.

[burn_your_money]

I wouldn't use that head unless you get the injector boss welded up and get it pressure tested.

Ideally it should be sent to frank06 on TDI club to be fully welded up and machined but that is money.

If you are using a NA head I would swap the precups and valves over since you have a solid lifter head.

Good looking build, I love the mk1 Jetta

Regarding your question about the advance spring in the pump, if you change it start with stock timing and if you find it lacking or rattling in the top end then adjust the timing as needed.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

If you are using a NA head I would swap the precups and valves over since you have a solid lifter head.

Hey Burn, I'm in tune with swapping the sodium filled valve stemmed valves - can you bring us (me) up to speed on the perk for swapping out the precups ? And how is that done ?

Never been into the precup section or had one out - or read anything about proceedure getting one out / putting one in.
Doesn't have to be an exhaustive write, just in general.
Or a link.

Thanky

[dankcorey22]

Went to the junk yard this morning got the head off in an hour and thirty mins. One intake manifold bolt gave me a problem it stripped out and i had to hammer a size up allen in there,

Baron- I didnt get the IM shaft off or the pully the car was on the ground in the very back plus it was hot as hell and i wanted to get the hell outta there. sorry buddy ill probably go another time to that place its really clean place to be a junk yard, ive never been to one where almost all the cars are jacked up. I owe you one for the find i never would have known it was there,

Well on to the Head the head looks exclent there is no cracks in the injector boss or between the valve seats, but there is some crack in the precups very tiny tho. I want to know how to remove the precups and install new one just like baron said because if they dont have to i DO NOT want the machine shop doing it, Can i do it with just general tools?

Im going to reuse the valves outta the other head there fine for another rebuild.

Were heres a picture of the head



heres a little cracks in the precups


Thanks everyone for your help one step closer to getting her running! I Cant wait!!

[dankcorey22]

oh yeah $48 for that head W/O a core also. alsome deal i think 

[Baron VonZeppelin]

It was probly 35 on the head, 10 core, 3 tax
Can't beat it !

So glad it was a good head, and still there.
Car was strait up unmolested looking when it came in, but had been sitting somewhere undriven for a while. Had a feeling it was good parts mechanically speaking.

Since its been moved to the back, and sitting on the ground, that means its getting crushed real soon. It was on row 1/2 up front sitting 18-24 inches off ground like the rest. Anything sitting on the ground is now crushbait.

I might try to go this week, but its getting hotter than hellfire again now, after such a pleasant weekend. I'm about 40-45 minutes south of that place.

[theman53]

I am not an expert, but every TD head I have seen has had the mark on the precups like that. I think mine were triangles, but see what everyone else on here says. I think you may have got the best score ever. If there are more you could make a living off of guys like me that have NO source but the internet for used VW parts...or my last car that died.

[burn_your_money]

About the precups, I read on one of those technical sheets about the VW engine that they used different precups on the TD engines. I'm kind of assuming that this was only on the early (solid lifter) TDs but I have no idea. I thought I read it on 4crawler.com but I can't find it right now.

To remove them, I've read that you tape the hole shut and then through the injector boss fill it with salt. Then you use the biggest punch you can and give it a good whack.

[kingler5]

Sometimes those precups just fall out when you pull a head, so I don't think there's much holding em in.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

Would be interesting to have that verified firsthand about the differences, and what they might be. And the advantage/disadvantage. Has anyone on the board made the comparison ?

Maybe Corey will be our test mule ?
You got the salt to spare Corey ?

Have no doubt, many many have used NA heads on TD's.
And many NA's have been upgraded to Turbo.
I don't think the precups will kill you left intact - but i'd want the best i could get if i had both alternates.

BYM has intrigued us here, for sure.

[burn_your_money]

http://www.4crawler.com/Diesel/SAE/vwtdsae.shtml

[Baron VonZeppelin]

Corey, hook me up with a leftover cam sprocket/washer/bolt and we are square. Maybe the belt tensioner nut and washer too.

The airbox was a good favor and a good fair deal - so you don't owe me too much extra on the favor scale.  

Just really glad the head is a good one, and that you got it before it went into the grinder. That would have been a bad waste of good product.

[dankcorey22]

I think im going to have the head professional done by someone whos done these diesel heads before. just to make sure its done right, i dont think my machine shop i was using has no idea how to do a diesel head like ours... That www.partsplaceinc.com i think is really good with reman heads.

Baron- I know this is going to sound like im trying to rip you off but i didnt get the cam sprocket or the washer/ nut i just left it in the engine bay of that car, I thought the less stuff i had on the head the less they would charge me... believe me i tried to take the injectors out but they were stuck and the coolent stuff didnt matter.

But i do have some stuff if your interested- i have pressure plate for a A4 ALH , both the coolent things on the head, glow plugs and wiring, injectors, and thats all i can think of right now... you like racing lawn mowers i got some of those haha 

But i really do appreciated this help

and one more thing why in the hell do you use salt to get the precups out?!

[Baron VonZeppelin]

I'll try to get over there this week.
Woulda been same with or w/o the gear.
Cheap azz ! Told ya i'd pay for that stuff !
I'm 46 not 14. lol
The injectors would been only price increaser, and since they were stuck - they probly cut you the slack on them.

Partsplace in Michigan will just play middleman and cost you more money, plus shipping both ways.

The salt absorbs the blow impact, but transfers the force.
Instead of a direct metallic blow. And keeps tool from going stray and busting something else in there.
And makes it all taste better.

Take the head apart, Block Sand the deck with 400 wet, briefly.
Follow with 600 wet on Block Sander to clean up.
Hand lap the valves.
Go for the precups with the salt.
Button it back up.
Its done.

If you have to have pro work - call Tom Landock in the morning and get local ref. I'll be back in a moment with his number.

[Baron VonZeppelin]

Tom Landock
Everything VW
3788 s. main st. winston- salem.

336-577-3484

Tell him Baron VonZeppelin the Diesel Dog refered you.
And tell him what you want to have done.