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Reply #345January 31, 2010, 08:04:57 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #345 on: January 31, 2010, 08:04:57 am »
210mm clutch and flywheel on an 02j trans? yea... GOOD LUCK.

they are so much different, its never going to work. 020 flywheels and clutches are made to run in a 020 trans.

and the limits of the 1.6 is about 200 horsepower, while the limits of the AAZ are around 250, maybe 275. (im just going by what all the hottest engines are on the forum) people claim 300 horse, but i have yet to see pictures or dyno runs. if anyone was running that much power, it would be Aki-76. he has the pics of the build that LOOKS VERY CAPABLE of building OVER 300 horsepower. but his build has basically no stock VW parts. talk to aki, he will tell you how hard its gonna be to make 300 horses. hes a smart cookie, thats for sure.

Reply #346January 31, 2010, 11:19:59 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #346 on: January 31, 2010, 11:19:59 am »
aki it is then.  I was always told, if you have a goal, set it high.  If I don't reach 300, that is fine too.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #347January 31, 2010, 08:42:33 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #347 on: January 31, 2010, 08:42:33 pm »
Injector repair kits cost like close to nothing, and since I must wait for more fundage "I simply refuse to steal food from my daughters mouth to feed my hobby..... my wife, probably, but not my daughter ;)"  I will do a repair on the I/P that I have.  Which pump rebuild kit do I need, or which parts do I need?  I have been told that I have a late style 1.6 td pump, the shaft has play and the thing def. needs a rebuild.  I can get no.s if needed, in fact, I'll post them as soon as I can.  I will be doing some pump mods, and adding the pug pin at the same time.  I do actively pursue the search option, despite popular belief, I could find a needle in a haystack with google, but for some reason, I suck at using the search feature on this forum at finding anything useful. :-[

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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #348January 31, 2010, 08:50:41 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #348 on: January 31, 2010, 08:50:41 pm »
I was also playing with my vac pump and was wondering has anyone ever rebuilt one of these?  I have a broken plastic thingie on mine that vexes me so.  Don't even know what it is ???  I ran into a friend with a gasser 16v and a HUGE Bentley, and he suggested using a different intermediate shaft and oil pump from a gasser 16v, is this possible, or has anyone tried it?  I will try to take a trip to the boneyard to find out.

thanks,

Kevin
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #349January 31, 2010, 09:12:39 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #349 on: January 31, 2010, 09:12:39 pm »
just so everyone knows, autohaus is having a reman injector sale, the core charge is 11 buckroos so I can get a full set of reman 1.5's for 100 bones pretty cheap ;D
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #350January 31, 2010, 09:26:12 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #350 on: January 31, 2010, 09:26:12 pm »
have yet another question, I have never heard of anyone getting their crank knife edged, is that because it is a bad idea?  I was honestly thinking about it, not too expensive, and would allow for an easier start "cold starts are already going to be hard.  Less rotating mass is better no matter what aspiration you are running right?
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #351January 31, 2010, 10:00:10 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #351 on: January 31, 2010, 10:00:10 pm »
Try and get a few of them in here...

The double spring injectors are all about reducing noise and improving the burn (less smoke), but not really in a performance way.  They do a pre-injection before the main injection to get the fire started so to speak - this reduces the knock when the main injection happens since it's not such a shock.  Good for emissions, good for reducing noise, but extremely difficult to calibrate without pro level tools and difficult to find nozzles for.  So yes, the Germans had some good reasons to go that way, but nothing that's really relevant to what you want to do.

How the larger prechamber volume will react and how to best make use of it is anyone's guess.  At the very least I'd say it gives you an opportunity for more fuel since there's more room for air in there, but without getting the engine running it's hard to know.  You might find the AAZ injectors are better matched to the AAZ prechambers, or you might find it makes no difference - it's honestly fairly uncharted territory.  From what I've read on here the 1.6 nozzles are capable of flowing as much fuel is you could possibly use without issue so there's not really a lot of gains to be had there.  Now, where the 1.9 injectors MIGHT be relevant to you is actually their starting abilities - the preinjection MIGHT help start with your low compression, but until you have the motor together and actually see what happens, well... who knows?

The VE pump definitely has its limits - Giles can make pumps that are happy to above 6K RPM but what he does is top secret.  He's got access to the complete world of Bosch parts from just about any engine you can imagine, plus a test bench and a ton of training, so he can mix and match pump parts to get what he wants.  We all don't even know enough about what we want given the massive number of variables (cam plate shape, cam plate lift, plunger size, etc etc)... Giles does machining to the pump body to allow it to have more dynamic advance, he tunes the actual dynamic advance curve, he creates a governor that doesn't limit fuel, I'm fairly certain he's changing the camplate (who knows what to though) and any number of other things.  When you actually look at what all he's doing his price is extremely fair - even if we knew exactly what parts he was putting in doing all the machine work and tuning is worth it big time.  If there's any single thing you spend money on with your build it should be the pump.  And yes, Giles can pretty much do up the dynamic timing however you want, including having retarded idle timing and crazy advanced higher RPM timing.  There's basically no way to do this on your own - you really need a full test bench.  And understand that when you order a superpump from Giles you're also buying a consultation with him and his advice tuning your engine after you've bought the pump, not just some replacement part made for an anonymous customer by an anonymous factory worker somewhere.

I think the 5K limit for the VE pump really comes from the versions for engines with 6 or more cylinders, with 4 bangers we can get a bit more RPM out of them before they start to float.  Seems quite a few people have done nothing but the governor mod and gotten 5500 RPM without too much trouble.  At that point though I think you're out of dynamic advance on the pumps the way they come - back to needing Giles again.

So yeah, lots of words but what it comes down to is:

- Bite the bullet and get Giles to do your pump.  The $$ per HP gain is probably better with him than anything else you can do
- Get the coldest air you can in to your engine
    - pull cold air in to your turbo,
    - find the best intercooler you can
- Get as much air as possible in
    - Make sure your intake is unrestricted
    - Port your head, even just gasket matching will help
    - Stock intake is crap, there's nothing aftermarket available, this is a good place to spend some efforts making something yourself
- Get the exhaust out
    - Don't run your boost TOO high or you're just putting too much restriction on your exhaust and pumping in air that is too hot
    - Get the best downpipe and exhaust you can afford

After all that you're in the upper ranges of what you'll ever get out of these engines before you blow the head off the top.  


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Reply #352January 31, 2010, 10:08:46 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #352 on: January 31, 2010, 10:08:46 pm »
woo hoo! found the I/M shaft post/thread:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=13253.0

lots of good info here.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #353January 31, 2010, 10:31:31 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #353 on: January 31, 2010, 10:31:31 pm »
VERY VERY good advice, I am poor :-[ and would love to give Giles my hard earned dough 8)  but, I have done everything thus far on somewhat of a budget.  I plan to do all that I can to the pump as it now stands, then, sometime in the future, send it by way of the Jedi Master Giles.  I understand about the turbo, and about EGT's, I will be using a vnt 17/22 combo, the latter of which is proving difficult to find and VERY expensive.  I already have a straight, 2.5" exhaust, and will make a custom downpipe, and have taken a serious approach to constructing a turbo header from nickel plate.  As for the intake........... wellll lets just say it's still a work in progress.  I lack the tools to do what I want with it.  Need a band saw to cut the runner just right, and also need to port the runners to match the D shaped port on the head, or I'll have a very nice long runner intake that someone can use for a non-aaz project.  I currently also have a G-60 intake that I was looking at using, but since I went the way of the aaz head I no longer need it, and will prolly use it on the 1.5 and make a custom CAI. As for the intercooler, I'm still on the hunt, as well as all of the other components to make this thing work.  As seen above, there is an I/M shaft service available, so I plan to use it, as well as having the crank blueprinted and knifedged.  I am still going forward with the dry sump system, and have a very good idea on how to do it.  I'll post pics soon.  I plan to shorten the pickup tube and make it so that it doesn't reach so deep, so that I can cut a good amount from the pan.  Then I'll make a reservoir, and setup a box for it's location.  There are a couple of reasons to doing this.  I have a weitec coilover system, and have the car lowered ridiculously low and if I hit a bump it will not be pretty, also for spirited driving at no doubt high speed I would not wish for the misfortune of oil starvation.  For the other reason, in a word, COOLING, I will be running copious amounts of boost, with an engine setup doing things it was not designed to do, I want to keep it as cool as possible.  WHAT! "that's bad for cold starts" you say? au contrair, I will be using a specially designed system to not only heat the waterblock, but also heat the oil in a very non conventional way.  I will be using three 600W heaters to heat the waterblock, and heat the oil by means of a built in compartment in the oil reservoir.  HA! TAKE THAT! ;D  But seriously, thank you for setting me straight on the aaz injectors and providing me with invaluable information.

thanks,

Kevin
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #354January 31, 2010, 10:43:28 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #354 on: January 31, 2010, 10:43:28 pm »
just found Castillo's crankshaft service in L.A., I'll call them tomorrow, but I think they may be able to do the crank and the I/M shaft.  That would be awesome, if they could. :o  A lot of tuners use their service, and apparently they are really good at what they do.
dnahtasinoivilboeraweb
you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #355February 01, 2010, 09:17:26 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #355 on: February 01, 2010, 09:17:26 am »
I was also playing with my vac pump and was wondering has anyone ever rebuilt one of these?  I have a broken plastic thingie on mine that vexes me so.  Don't even know what it is ???  I ran into a friend with a gasser 16v and a HUGE Bentley, and he suggested using a different intermediate shaft and oil pump from a gasser 16v, is this possible, or has anyone tried it?  I will try to take a trip to the boneyard to find out.

thanks,

Kevin

its never gonna work. a gasser IM shaft is spun from the inside (toothed side) of the belt. the diesel im shaft is spun from the back side (flat side) of the belt. the diesel im shaft spins CCW, while a gasser spins CW. no dice...

Reply #356February 01, 2010, 12:27:37 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #356 on: February 01, 2010, 12:27:37 pm »
called him today, this morning, in fact, and it will be 250 for the knife edging, and 110 for balancing.  I want to take it down there in person, and see the operation, these guys are supposedly legendary at this stuff. 360.00 too steep for that?  it will be a seperate charge altogether for the I/M shaft, and he says it will be the first one that he has done, since no one has ever asked for this service before.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #357February 01, 2010, 12:30:19 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #357 on: February 01, 2010, 12:30:19 pm »
i need to get a pd150 intake from somewhere, finally got fed up with messing with the mod on the audo 5000 turbo mani, and the shape of the ports is going to be an issue. :-[
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #358February 01, 2010, 11:01:02 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #358 on: February 01, 2010, 11:01:02 pm »
Just totaled my car, the Suzuki, in a head on collision.  I will prolly have to put the project on hold, considering that everything is in the car right now, and it was towed to Victorville.  block, crank, head, everything.  I was working on it this weekend and said "what the hey! leave it in the car, gets heavy to haul in and out"  Now, I'm a bit perterbed >:( "take that MOD! no profanity! :P"
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #359February 01, 2010, 11:57:12 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #359 on: February 01, 2010, 11:57:12 pm »
Well, hope it works out for you!!!  I had a couple Dodge 318 heads end up in the trunk of a scrap car that then ended up in a tow yard, never to be seen again once.

All I gotta say about all that machine work is your hard earned $$$ would be way better spent with Giles on your pump... By my count between your junk head and the crank machining you're talking about now you're at least 2/3 of the way to a superpump.
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