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Reply #105December 02, 2009, 11:54:19 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #105 on: December 02, 2009, 11:54:19 am »
no, im not basing it on old beetle engine cases. basing it on personal experience. my family fabricates aluminum boats. big ones. and we have used copper pipe and copper anti sieze on/in them, but not with the best of results. copper and aliminum do not agree. even a copper pipe clamped against aluminum will begin to eat both surfaces. just because the warning label doesnt say something, doesnt mean it wont actually do it. trust me on this andrew, it does have a chemical reaction. not over night or anything, but it happens.

Reply #106December 02, 2009, 12:03:06 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #106 on: December 02, 2009, 12:03:06 pm »
ah, well boats are in contact with water(sometimes with salt in it) and corrosion is a bigger issue with them than most everywhere else.

I use the aluminum based stuff because it is easy to get, and in my experience is just as good as copper, and can be used with magnesium(my automotive life started with beetles, so it was an issue there)

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Reply #107December 02, 2009, 01:58:35 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #107 on: December 02, 2009, 01:58:35 pm »
adding water(especially salt water) to the equation will change the corrosion quite a bit.

aluminum boats in salt water need to have a sacrificial anodes to keep the hull from corroding into oblivion, so maybe the aluminum/copper interaction in the presence of an electrolyte(turns into a battery)
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Reply #108December 02, 2009, 03:16:33 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #108 on: December 02, 2009, 03:16:33 pm »
Triple square? I have been using torx t55 or something along those lines "probably why the thing snapped on me" ok need some of those and I now have a good list of special tools needed to assemble/dissassemblt these engines.  I was also looking at oem parts, rabbitonroids mentioned before in this project to use a metal head gasket, where do I get one of these?  I'll have to get a triple square set from the matco tool truck on thursday.  I also need a pneumatic valve spring compressor to take the old aaz valves out to have them ground and clean/port the head.  I must apologize for all of the performance related questions, I like to measure twice and cut once, I'm that guy that goes around his car and kicks all four tires before driving anywhere.

thanks again,

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"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #109December 02, 2009, 03:19:35 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #109 on: December 02, 2009, 03:19:35 pm »
well you are now part of a community that pops the hood after parking regardless of whether it needs to be done, just to be sure that everything is still there.

the metal head gasket is from an AAZ motor, its a 1.9 IDI from canadian MK3's
the AAZ gasket can be hard to find in the us, but there are a few suppliers on this board that can get them.
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Reply #110December 02, 2009, 03:31:34 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #110 on: December 02, 2009, 03:31:34 pm »
good to know, any place in particular I should shy away from?  the reaction mentioned before is called an electrolytic reaction between copper and aluminumt he difference in the valence electrons create it with a solution as a transferring medium.  You are correct, it is essentialy what happens in a battery, the difference of two potentials.  It will occur on our engines and components under the correct conditions, which is why you don't hear of success stories where people use these engines in any marine applications.  It should also be noted, I just learned this, is that you have to change out the compression washers in the injector wells everytime you remove them.  I will need technical data/ torque specs because I am using mixed parts here, is anything different?  all I have to go off of is the bentley I have for the 1.5.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #111December 02, 2009, 04:08:12 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #111 on: December 02, 2009, 04:08:12 pm »
yes the injector "heat shields" need to be replaced every time you pull the injectors.

the torque spec is 50 ft-lbs, and the wrench should always be pushed into the head, never pulled away from it.

pulling away from the head can crack the bosses in the head, and they are not really repairable.
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Reply #112December 02, 2009, 08:01:42 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2009, 08:01:42 pm »
 :o wealth of knowledge gained here folks, all of this is going into the buid thres to come next, as promised are the pics.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #113December 02, 2009, 08:23:56 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #113 on: December 02, 2009, 08:23:56 pm »
the 1.5 I pulled out, bearings going on it but looks good for having 250,000 miles on it, and I am only the third owner.





















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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #114December 02, 2009, 08:56:15 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #114 on: December 02, 2009, 08:56:15 pm »
here is the mech 1.6 IDI turbo block that I got for $200.00 from a member up in pollock pines CA still has cross hatching visible with stock pistons.





















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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #115December 02, 2009, 10:26:08 pm

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #115 on: December 02, 2009, 10:26:08 pm »
what calculator are you using to find out the comp ratio?  does the metal head gasket make a difference?
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #116December 03, 2009, 01:43:21 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #116 on: December 03, 2009, 01:43:21 am »
I was just using one of the generic calculators available on the net...   I found a real good one that I wish I would have bookmarked..   All specs in metric and everything.. 

With the proper thickness HG metal or fiber shouldn't make that much difference I would think....  Maybe someone with more experience with those will chime in...   Just remember, thinner than required HG is not a good thing..  Pistons tapping against the head make and awful sound..
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Reply #117December 03, 2009, 01:51:48 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #117 on: December 03, 2009, 01:51:48 am »
well it isn't going to matter for at least a month, the wifey laid down an ultimatum, get rid one of the cars or else.... :'(  I have to rebuild the 1.5 and slap it into one of the bunny shells that I have, then I'm all set.  I will se you all real soon, but I will stay here to keep info up on the build.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #118December 03, 2009, 02:11:47 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #118 on: December 03, 2009, 02:11:47 am »
I am not going to mess around, I am starting a list, of all of the things that I will need to make this work.
1.6 turbo long block:     check
aaz head/ complete:
Have to choose which turbo either a vgt or vnt for sure.  Until then I cannot choose intercooling options or exhaust mani or D/P, but the 1y intake seems promising.
new rebuild kit for the bottom end:
new vaccum pump:
upgraded oil pump:
dry sump oil pan "fabricated" gonna need some big help on this one guys:
arp fasteners, conrods and head studs:
metal head gasket:
water pump:
upgraded starter high torque/6v:
new tranny, havent looked at options for this yet either:
oil cooler:
replace all old worn out bushings in the car engine mounts, strut rubbers, etc.:
1.6turbo pump, send to giles:
send off "hot" parts to Jet hot to be coated with their good stuff:
rebuild the head and plug up the extra drain hole, grind the valves, seat them, clean the head, replace valve guides, head seals, port and polish,"before I put it all back together of course":

put it all back together, and put the engine and tranny in, hook up the glow plugs, starter, oil lines, fuel, intake/intercooler, exhaust, coolant, oil, tranny fluid, reconnect throttle cables and alternator wires etc. and I'm all set for the road.:  whew! sounds easy but there is one more thing I have to do, document the entire affair with copious amounts of pictures and commentaries in the how to section.

thanks guys for the opportunities to work with some truly greats,

Kevin
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
"If the boost were to rise then the throttle would remain in the wide-open throttle position, which might be fun, but probably not for long"Libbypapa

Reply #119December 03, 2009, 05:44:39 am

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Re: 1.5 rot assy. 1.6 TD bottom end 1.9 head project
« Reply #119 on: December 03, 2009, 05:44:39 am »
Vac pump is rebuildable, and the kit is  not too spendy.

 

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