Author Topic: Weird bearing issue with new bearings. need suggestions (Read 15142 times)

jtanguay · « **Reply #45 on:** November 25, 2008, 02:50:48 am »

1cm is a lot for the oil control ring... even a few mm's is enough to give you some pretty nasty blowby under boost.

the bentley would be a great investment for you. be sure to check out how much new con rod bolts are as they would be a good idea. i wouldn't trust the old ones at this stage. i think its 22 ft/lbs & 1/4 turn. do the turn in one fluid motion.

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #46 on:** November 25, 2008, 04:31:25 am »

Ok.
I'll pick up a new oil ring and con rod bolts.
Thanks guys.

I probably have the rings mixed up. It's the ring that has the spring in it.

jtanguay · « **Reply #47 on:** November 25, 2008, 05:35:18 am »

re-use your old con rod bolts first, to make sure that the bearings move freely and the crank turns good. once you're satisfied that its in ok, install the new con rod bolts and enjoy!!!

JT Turbo · « **Reply #48 on:** November 25, 2008, 07:02:15 pm »

Quote from: "Smokey Eddy"

no i don't have a bentley (why do you think i post like a f**k**g maniac on here?)

oh man, you're crazy. The day after I bought my car I bought a Bentley manual (at AVR I might add). It has some short comings, but its way more useful than not having one. You can borrow it if you want.

burn_your_money · « **Reply #49 on:** November 25, 2008, 08:27:21 pm »

Quote from: "burn_your_money"

con rod cap to con rod .....22 ft/lb + 1/4 turn

Here is the spec from the bentley.

I've seen more then 1 rod come through the block because of re-using rod bolts. They may not be cheap, but they are a lot cheaper then a new block.

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #50 on:** November 26, 2008, 05:13:02 am »

[Quote from all three of you guys goes here]

Thanks for the suggestion, i will use the old ones to make sure the bearings are good and get new ones.

You're right, i do need a bentley. It's ok, borrowing yours wont be any good when i need to refer to it down the road but i do appreciate your offer that's very kind of you, thank you.

Thanks again for the torque specs

and yes a replacement MF block would be pricey. much more than con rod bolts.

In other news that i'm delighted to share,
turns out im a complete moron and i apparently ordered bearings that were out of stock and it is my fault i got the wrong ones.
Oh well, thank goodness they were only 13$.
Another lesson learned, thankfully that was a fairly cheap one. A rather time consuming and aggravating one though. my arms are still sore from working under the car for so long.
I worked on my new rad fan mount and inter cooler mounting today. Unfortunately i didn't post any pictures of my plans but i will next time i have it all out.
I have two Taurus V6 fans that i'm going to be using to cool my rad and inter cooler.
YES they are 14 and 16 inch fans. YES they over lap the rad. YES the curtains went flying when i powered them up with my spare batt. in the living room. (on cardboard or course. the garage is TOO cold!and cluttered)
It's a bit of a job making a bracket for them and shroud but it's really worth it if you're looking for two thin high powered fans. I got them at the junk yard for 40$. washed they look new. I didn't check the year though.. mid to late 90's i think.
BUT 'tis for another thread i s'pose.

Thanks all of you for your help with my stupidity. i'll forever read the box that the parts came in from now until i die... and double check what it is i need to buy.
i feel like a dick for wasting your time but i learned a lot about bearings. like the wrong one's don't fit

!!!
but i am serious about feeling bad for wasting every one's time because of my idiocy.

foot note: a lot of my advice in the future is going to be, "Make sure you have the right parts if you're having problems with new stuff" but im sure most are not as dumb as i. I get too excited when stuff comes in the mail. :oops:

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #51 on:** November 28, 2008, 04:04:11 pm »

I asked a guy who works at a VW shop look up the con rod bolts in some vw book he has and it said they were NOT torque to yield, but the gas ones ARE.

That's why our con rod bolts are so much more expensive, apparently...
Any thoughts on this? Have people read that they are not torque to yield?
I gotta find the name of the book he read it in.

cyrus #1 · « **Reply #52 on:** November 28, 2008, 07:53:15 pm »

All the Bentley says is 22 ft. lbs + 1/4 turn. It says nothing different between gas and diesel. :?

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #53 on:** November 28, 2008, 08:03:16 pm »

well the price in the bolts is fairly significant...
maybe they are higher quality and don't stretch?

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #54 on:** November 28, 2008, 08:10:41 pm »

I see.

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #55 on:** December 16, 2008, 05:17:18 am »

Well, i figured it out.

The rods will also bind if you have a broken oil ring. Waited two weeks to get it, replaced the one i broke... and immediately i break another one. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x Tightening the ring compressor is hear a little *crack* tears then followed. and swearing.

clbanman · « **Reply #56 on:** December 16, 2008, 11:43:57 am »

Are you lightly oiling the face of the rings before you try to put the piston in the compressor and block? It sounds as if the compressor is binding on the rings, and resulting in localized compression of the ring instead of the entire ring. The I.D. of the compressor should be very smooth, and if you oil the surface of the rings it should allow them to slide freely in order to compress across the entire surface. I would also make sure you have a good quality ring compressor. I presume you are using the band type?

zukgod1 · « **Reply #57 on:** December 16, 2008, 12:14:23 pm »

The should also be a small taper on the very top edge of each bore to help get the rings in a tad easier.

It sure is easy to snap one if your not VERY careful.

Did you buy a complete new set?

If you only broke one of the two oil rings you can use one of the original ones if you need to. Better than nothing.

Smokey Eddy · « **Reply #58 on:** December 16, 2008, 07:01:54 pm »

Thanks for the responses guys.

I threw out the old ones nievely

I use a paint brush to lather everything in oil. Maybe i used too much? i use so much oil that it collects on the garage floor

I think there might be something nodged in the piston groove that i missed when i was cleaning them out. I have to get in there with an artists knife and cut everything out i think.

Yes im using the band type. The first oil ring i broke i broke using the other type of ring compressor. I dont know the name of it?
I first used

I don't really like it but i know you can get much better control of the tightness with it. I think the one i have is for much bigger pistons.

I'm using this type now.

Already ordered the new ring set. Should be here in 12 days. Sigh. (but that's not going to happen if Christmas has something to say about it)

veedubcanuck · « **Reply #59 on:** December 22, 2008, 03:35:35 pm »

Just checked with the VW dealer here since it is next door and for my one engine (CR 1.6 NA) the rod bolts are NOT torque to yield older engines did not have them. I don't know about the TD. The TD does have different specs for torquing the rod bolts (higher) so maybe they are TTY. He also said older production engines were re-usable? both TD and NA.