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duno if anyone noticed
by
oldskool rich
on 10 Nov, 2008 18:10
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today i was builing a generator for my garage out of an old 1.6na
it been a while since i played with one, i had sum spares lying around so i thort id see what i cud do.
well the aaz pump bracket fits on with one bolt, and the serpantine axilary belt system fits too, with the exception of one one bolt, but then the peace of cast ally on the front connects to the pump bracket and holds it all together, so surly u folks out there in IDI land cud run aaz pumps on gtds to get a bit more power? and also run a clutched alternator to help the pully from killing the crank.
just a thort
maybe everyone knows this already :roll:
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#1
by
jtanguay
on 11 Nov, 2008 02:12
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actually there was a serpentine conversion kit at zsimports.com that i've been eye balling, so i knew about the serp conversion... but not really the aaz pump & serp conversion, although the 1.6 & 1.9 blocks are very similar...
this is good info! thanks
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#2
by
gigaz2
on 11 Nov, 2008 05:29
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clutched alternator??? the alt can be disabled by means of a wire, it will only have the rotor inertia then.
later alt pulleys have a one way system, it freewheels when spun backwards avoiding "killing the crank"
but you are using the 1.6... it doesn't have that problem it was the aaz's witch were prone to that
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#3
by
vanbcguy
on 11 Nov, 2008 11:37
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The 1.9 uses the same crank pulley as the 1.6, the difference is the serpentine belt set up on the 1.9. The serpentine belt is more efficient and better transfers the "spikes" than the V-belts do, which unfortunately results in the crank pulley breaking off unless you take preventative measures.
The clutched alternator pulley isn't like an AC clutch. A piston engine doesn't turn at a "smooth" speed, rather it speeds up on each power stroke and slows down again as the fuel burn slows down. It's not a huge difference but the inertia from the alternator resisting this effect was determined to be part of the problem with the original crank pulley design failing on the 1.9 engines. The clutch allows the inertia of the alternator to over-run the belt just enough to prevent hammering against the crank pulley keyway. Clutched alternator pulley = one way alternator pulley.
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#4
by
zukgod1
on 11 Nov, 2008 12:03
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Does anyone have a picture of that pulley?
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#5
by
jtanguay
on 11 Nov, 2008 12:28
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if you read his (oldskool rich) post, you would understand that he talked about the clutched pulley on the alternator (one way pulley) IF you wanted to go the 1.9 serpentine setup route...
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#6
by
zukgod1
on 11 Nov, 2008 12:54
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I understand what it is and the reason behind it but I want to see a picture of it.
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#7
by
rallydiesel
on 11 Nov, 2008 12:58
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I don't think he was talking to you, zuk. Here's a pic of the pulley from tdiparts.com:
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#8
by
Baxter
on 11 Nov, 2008 13:02
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Seems like a great mod to kill your engine to me.
When I fit AAZ's to T3's (Vanagons) I make a point of putting them onto a V belt and getting rid of that serpentine belt to save the crank nose.
Remember also that if you use the alternator that they run at a different speed and your tacho will read on the piss.
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#9
by
zukgod1
on 11 Nov, 2008 13:04
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Seems like a great mod to kill your engine to me.
When I fit AAZ's to T3's (Vanagons) I make a point of putting them onto a V belt and getting rid of that serpentine belt to save the crank nose.
Remember also that if you use the alternator that they run at a different speed and your tacho will read on the piss.
That's a good point.
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#10
by
zukgod1
on 11 Nov, 2008 13:05
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I don't think he was talking to you, zuk. Here's a pic of the pulley from tdiparts.com:
Ah I see
Thanks for the pic, that's what I needed.
I don't think I'll be doing the conversion the more I think about it but sure cant hurt to have the knowledge if the time ever comes.
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#11
by
jtanguay
on 11 Nov, 2008 13:17
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Seems like a great mod to kill your engine to me.
When I fit AAZ's to T3's (Vanagons) I make a point of putting them onto a V belt and getting rid of that serpentine belt to save the crank nose.
Remember also that if you use the alternator that they run at a different speed and your tacho will read on the piss.
i HATE changing v-belts! my system needs to be re-tightened on a regular basis... sooooo annoying!!! but the bulletproof-ness of the v-belts, and the cheapness of the system make it very appealing...
i just LOVE having to take my main belt off to get at the alternator belt :roll: :lol:
but to each their own!
and zukgod, i was just trying to make it clear that rich was talking about using the clutched alt pulley for the 1.9 serp conversion... not directed at you :wink:
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#12
by
mdonau
on 11 Nov, 2008 14:16
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hi,
i have a 140A alternator with one-way pulley on my audi, works absolutely
great. no noise or re-tighten neccesary
the one-way pulley takes a lot of stress from the crank-pulley, because
the alternators rotor can not transfer braking-force on the crank, when
it ist slowed down during a compression-stroke.
greets, michael
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#13
by
Vincent Waldon
on 11 Nov, 2008 16:28
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You can retrofit the 1-way pulley to the older AAZ alternator with the solid pulley:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=15010&highlight=aaz+alternator+pulleyIf you twist the pulley of the AAZ alternator by hand you'll see it has a lot of momentum... momentum that overdrives the crank sprocket when you take your foot off the gas and puts stress on the already-weak sprocket design.
The AAZ pulley is also smaller than previous editions.. this gives it more of a mechanical advantage when it overdrives the crank.
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#14
by
gigaz2
on 11 Nov, 2008 17:55
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so its a semantics issue.. oldskool rich called the one-way pulley a clutched pulley, these are different things.
if going for the serpentine setup then by all means use a one-way
or keep it simple and use a V-belt setup
I've swapped my brothers alt and the new one had a solid pulley, man does it vibrate! I have to get a way to put the old one-way back in before the crank nose goes