My 84 1.6 - Help wont start

[libbydiesel]

As I said before, this is all academic.  The head needs to be pulled and one or more valves replaced at minimum.  If bound and determined to do extra work on the engine prior to pulling the head, then pull the belt off and then loosen all the cam caps all the way off.  Then spin the crank to TDC.  If it won't go there the head would then need to be pulled.  If it will spin to TDC, then you could then re-install the cam at TDC and reinstall the belt and then run it for a little while until a valve head falls off and ruins the core engine completely.

[ORCoaster]

Aren't the number of head bolts the same as the number of Cam shaft caps?  Just saying bolts is bolts.  One you get a final answer to a lot of questions and the other your questions remain unanswered. 

I would have had a 10 mm hex head on them days ago.
 

[libbydiesel]

Both the cam caps and head bolts are all going to end up loosened one way or another unless the whole engine is trashed first....

[CRSMP5]

 but if he took belt off.. got cam to tdc of #4.. crank tdc same as #1.. all he has to do is level out the 2 cam lobes on 4.. then slip belt back on.. id knock cam sprocket loose myself.. he should in theory be able to turn to 1 then.. if not.. something broken in way..

so.. loosen bolt on cam.. hit with hammer to pop it free.. leve bolt in cam.. but loose 8 or so turns..

2.) using a cresent wrench turn cam via cam lob.. one o fthem should be in a way you can.. IF it does not turn one way or other.. turn the crank how ever it turns free.. till cam moved..

---------------------now if your real good you can turn the crank to where all piston mid stroke at this point too.. and once you do this you can turn cam all way to #1.. if nothing broken..

3.) turn crank to tdc mark..

4.) retighten cam bolt to t for tight.. id still plan to pull head and all.. so no torque spec needed at this time..

turn it over by hand to see how things feel.. compression on all 4.. one feels dead.. something still locks up so on..

but for each thud just pull the head...

tips.. feel the belt real good.. try to twist the velt to a verticle manner.. should only twist a little bit.. this is the "tenson" of the belt.. if it no twist.. it too tight and will kill the fuel pump aka 1k+ rebuild.. just for a feel.. as unless you know this.. you can mess up on rebuild..

i can only assume this is correct at this time.. if too tight it will kill fuel pump.. too loose it will slap the timming cover.. so just a great fyi for ya.. 

if clip styl eexhaust.. saftey glasses and pry bar pops them off with good force..

drain coolent via thermo stat..

pull hoses..

undo wires.. and injector lines.. do no tforget #4 glow plug wire..

headbolts and i suggest extra person and lift head off..

[Jetmugg]

I'd have the whole thing pulled out of the car, on an engine stand, and torn down by now, but that's not really important.

What's the OP doing?

Steve.

[atherton213]

I'd have the whole thing pulled out of the car, on an engine stand, and torn down by now, but that's not really important.

What's the OP doing?

Steve.

sadly the op doesnt have the time he wishes to take this engine apart  .  I only have a small amount of time during the day to even look or touch the car.  I have been really busy on the weekends too... 

Update though, im going to just pull the head, ive started to remove parts and drain the engine.  I have to pick up a triple square to take the headbolts out... thought i had one but its only a 6 point not 12...  And homedepot, lowes and harbor freight didnt have any.  I did read pepboys has them so thats probably where im headed after work. 

Side note... until i really looked i never noticed how much stuff was actually connected to the head.

[8v-of-fury]

gheyyyyy!

Sorry to hear you do not have the time eh.. That is the worst. This is likely a bad car choice for you if you cannot devote endless hours of wrenching to it

[atherton213]

gheyyyyy!

Sorry to hear you do not have the time eh.. That is the worst. This is likely a bad car choice for you if you cannot devote endless hours of wrenching to it

Lol def not a bad choice.... Parts are cheap car is fun and I love vw's.... It's really only lately I haven't had time.... I actually found a bunch of time tonight.... I'm right now stuck on the exhaust c clips and I'll have the head off

just remembered in the DIY tools the exhaust hangers work... off to the store I go

[atherton213]

so got my triple square bolt and the DIY c clamp remover... got 1 c clamp off and went to look at the head bolts to make sure I got the right size

First bolt I check... looks like someone chewed it all up.  Luckily its the only one like this... but wtf do i do now?

[8v-of-fury]

Glad to hear it is getting lovin!

Picture doesn't work.. so you can't get any grip on it? Siht.

[libbydiesel]

You could try one of these...

..or drill out the head down to the shaft, or hammer a 12pt socket over the head of the bolt, or hammer the next size up triplesquare into it, etc...

[TylerDurden]

lol...

If it's too loosey-goosey to fit the star wrench, I'd pound the next biggest torx bit into it good and crank the bolt out. Keep the extension perfectly straight.


With one exhaust clamp off the other is pretty easy if you push the pipe that direction.

Assuming you have the fluids drained and the hoses, belts, wires &crap off, unbolt the sucker and have a pal help you lift it onto the bench.

Take pix! 

[ORCoaster]

See why 8V said ===This is likely a bad car choice for you if you cannot devote endless hours of wrenching to it

Because of what you found here ===First bolt I check... looks like someone chewed it all up.  Luckily its the only one like this... but wtf do i do now?

It is always something with these critters.  They didn't call it a Rabbit for no reason.  It  either runs like crazy or runs you crazy.  One way or another it runs.

[745 turbogreasel]

drill the head off it if you are ready, or  using a suitable punch, like the triple square bit, hammer the bolt toward the bottom of the motor for awhile, maybe 15 min.  With each strike the  bolt loosens its grip a little.  If you are not  skilled with a hammer, probably don't  do this, as one miss could really hurt the cam or something.
i've got a couple nice sets of wheels  out of their locking lugs at the junkyard this way.

[theman53]

I have had those triple square strip many times. I have used an air hammer and spun it enough to get it loose then turn it out by hand.