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Reply #15December 20, 2011, 05:53:44 pm

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Re: New to me 1.6TD
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2011, 05:53:44 pm »
PICS please, thank you. Ya cant start a "new to me" thread without some pics!  ;D

Reply #16December 20, 2011, 06:44:15 pm

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Re: New to me 1.6TD
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2011, 06:44:15 pm »
I used the IM shaft and its retainer to press a new outer bearing in on a friends TD jetta. Easy as pie. The retainer couldn't push the shaft in enough to "flush" the bearing with the bore so at the end I had to use a big washer between the retainer and shaft.

I also had to use extra long bolts for pulling the retainer in until it got close enough to the block to use the normal bolts.

I just used a screw driver to knock the old bearing out, just be sure to catch it or you'll be pulling the pan.
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Reply #17December 21, 2011, 01:35:12 am

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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2011, 01:35:12 am »
PICS please, thank you. Ya cant start a "new to me" thread without some pics!  ;D

Noted.. will add some pics once I can get the car out of the garage. :)

I used the IM shaft and its retainer to press a new outer bearing in on a friends TD jetta. Easy as pie. The retainer couldn't push the shaft in enough to "flush" the bearing with the bore so at the end I had to use a big washer between the retainer and shaft.

I also had to use extra long bolts for pulling the retainer in until it got close enough to the block to use the normal bolts.

I just used a screw driver to knock the old bearing out, just be sure to catch it or you'll be pulling the pan.

I already have the pan off, so doesn't matter too much. I'll try that.

Thanks a lot! Will update.. I might not have a chance to work on the car again until the 27th, going out of town for xmas.

Reply #18December 27, 2011, 05:00:29 pm

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« Reply #18 on: December 27, 2011, 05:00:29 pm »
Alright, got the new bearing in. Thanks rabbitman! That method worked great.

When putting the oil pump and pan back on, do I need to prime the oil pump? The pump has been sitting in the oil pan off the car for about a week.

Thanks.


Reply #19December 28, 2011, 03:13:57 pm

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2011, 03:13:57 pm »
Okay, well started the car adjusted the timing.. running fine.. still LOW OIL PRESSURE!

Went from maybe 0 psi to 3-4 psi when warm after changing the flaked IM bearing. I pulled the pan again, checked the oil pump.. looks to be in good condition.. no to very minimal wear on the gears.. they appear to be 19mm on the shortest diameter and 32mm on the outside.. so what pump doesn't this mean I have? How much wear is allowed for the shaft? there is maybe 1-2mm.

Pulled the vacuum pump, read something about the vanes.. all looked well and lubricated inside the vacuum pump.

Checked the main bearings #2 and #3 and they look like they are in great condition, rod bearings are also good.

Anyone else have some ideas to throw at me for low oil pressure?

Thanks.

Edit: I should also mention that I swapped a crap fram oil filter to a mann filter and used 15w-50 semi synthetic oil as Vince Waldon's how to said thicker oil can help.. maybe it's too thick?
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 07:54:19 pm by steevz »

Reply #20December 29, 2011, 01:47:33 pm

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Re: New to me 1.6TD
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2011, 01:47:33 pm »
 :o :o :o :o

Bought a new oil pump today thinking it was going to be high volume. Brand new Meyle.. what do you know.. it's also 30mm. Gah..

Going to be returning it, thought I'd double check my main and rod bearings.. my lighting must not have been right last time because they're all showing wear! Going to pickup all new rod and main bearings today in a couple hours they'll be in.

Also, my middle main bearing with the thrust arms.. the arms look like they actually have no wear.. they had main bearings with 2 piece thrust bearings and plain sets. Ordered the plain set of main bearings can I just reuse my thrust arms?

Reply #21December 29, 2011, 01:53:42 pm

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Re: New to me 1.6TD
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2011, 01:53:42 pm »
:o :o :o :o

Bought a new oil pump today thinking it was going to be high volume. Brand new Meyle.. what do you know.. it's also 30mm. Gah..

Going to be returning it, thought I'd double check my main and rod bearings.. my lighting must not have been right last time because they're all showing wear! Going to pickup all new rod and main bearings today in a couple hours they'll be in.

Also, my middle main bearing with the thrust arms.. the arms look like they actually have no wear.. they had main bearings with 2 piece thrust bearings and plain sets. Ordered the plain set of main bearings can I just reuse my thrust arms?

there are 2 piece thrust bearings, and 6 piece thrust bearings, and neither sort can be mixed or matched..

the 2 piece bearing is all integrated. no separate pieces, just drop the bearing shell in, align the bearing with a big hammer, and then torque everything down..

the 2 piece integrated bearings are junk in a VW.. less than 50% of the surface area of the 6 piece thrust..
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Reply #22December 29, 2011, 03:02:24 pm

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« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2011, 03:02:24 pm »
Sorry, I guess what I ment was the guy said on the phone it shows bearing sets with no thrust sides (hoping they're the six piece thrust bearings, but maybe it doesn't come with the thrust sides, if not can I reuse mine?) .. and then the 2 piece integral bearings. I ordered the set without the integral bearings.

Reply #23December 29, 2011, 05:18:35 pm

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« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2011, 05:18:35 pm »
if the 4 thrust crescents are still good, reuse them.  Make sure to put them back in the same positions as they came out. <- important :-*

Reply #24December 29, 2011, 05:34:49 pm

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2011, 05:34:49 pm »
Awesome, thanks. My main bearing set didn't come with them so, that's good.

Edit: The rod bearings seem to have some grey coating, this is normal?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 05:47:22 pm by steevz »

Reply #25December 29, 2011, 05:50:26 pm

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« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2011, 05:50:26 pm »
Uhh, yea.  Just make sure everything is clean, and use plasti-gauge. 8)

Reply #26December 29, 2011, 07:48:21 pm

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« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2011, 07:48:21 pm »
Do I clean the coating off the rod bearings or install them as they came?

Edit: I can't find the torquing valves for the main caps and rod caps? Someone help me out please?
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 07:50:33 pm by steevz »

Reply #27December 29, 2011, 08:28:26 pm

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Reply #28December 29, 2011, 08:44:28 pm

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2011, 08:44:28 pm »
worth reading if you haven't yet

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5129625-Diesel-Vacuum-pump-rotary-vane-type&highlight=diesel+vacuum+pump

Already have..  I've been lurking everywhere to find low oil pressure symptoms. I've already replaced my mains.. just need to know if I clean the coating/film off the rod bearings or if it's there for a reason before I swap them out.. and looking for the proper torque specs. I'll take my vac apart again since it's out right now and double check it before putting it back on. Thanks.

Edit: All done. Main and rod bearings replaced. ... Still have low oil pressure. :( Didn't even increase a tiny bit.. maybe my mechanical gauge is no good.. :\
« Last Edit: December 29, 2011, 11:39:42 pm by steevz »

Reply #29December 30, 2011, 04:08:09 pm

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« Reply #29 on: December 30, 2011, 04:08:09 pm »
I have a newly rebuilt engine showing low oil pressure
I have a tee for the idiot light sender and electric gauge sender
I pulled the filter
Drained it and cut it open
Looks clean inside, no particles
The oil doesn't look good though
I'll replace the oil
I think my next step will be
Ad a tee to install my autometer liquid filled gauge under the hood
Pulled the Vac pump
Verify free operation and of the oil pump and also that that pulley spins against the timing belt freely
Then use my pump priming adapter in a variable speed drill
Will it build pressure with the Vac pump out?
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