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Reply #45September 03, 2012, 09:55:32 am

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« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2012, 09:55:32 am »
Thats it! I'm gonna go and have the truck Dyno'd again at a different shop and hopefully the numbers will be proof of what I have.

I have done nothing to the truck since last dyno other than refill the nitrous bottle.

I'll get a video of first start, and at the dyno.

let me know when you dyno the truck again.. i want to be there to see it.

i know you can get slips from the dyno.. but i want to SEE it happen!

i have no doubt that your truck is powerful..

i just have a hard time believing 288 WHEEL horsepower..

another thing, anything i said, was not meant to piss you off..

your truck has all the right parts to make big power, thats for sure!

and for some reason i thought it ran like 86 mph trap speeds? please forgive me for being wrong..

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Reply #46September 03, 2012, 01:30:02 pm

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« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2012, 01:30:02 pm »
Hahaha. NP for your remarks. I hope no one thought that I was yelling or got butt hurt about the comments.
I too want to see if and by how much difference the Dyno pulls are. Hey, my last posted numbers and charts could be skewed and way wrong, so I want to get it dyno'd again somewhere different.
I'll give a call if I have a date on the dyno and sure. Anyone can come watch. What do I have to loose?  ::)

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Reply #47September 03, 2012, 02:31:08 pm

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« Reply #47 on: September 03, 2012, 02:31:08 pm »
Hahaha. NP for your remarks. I hope no one thought that I was yelling or got butt hurt about the comments.
I too want to see if and by how much difference the Dyno pulls are. Hey, my last posted numbers and charts could be skewed and way wrong, so I want to get it dyno'd again somewhere different.
I'll give a call if I have a date on the dyno and sure. Anyone can come watch. What do I have to loose?  ::)

See ya at Waterland.

im really curious to see what your next dyno run says..

im gonna poop if it really makes 288whp..

ill bring some spare boxers tho, just in case!
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #48September 03, 2012, 05:42:28 pm

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« Reply #48 on: September 03, 2012, 05:42:28 pm »
Kind of believe 288 it makes sense a 16v or something making that power would run high 12s but since 1.6 has a limited power band I can see why it wouldnt
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Reply #49September 04, 2012, 05:15:16 pm

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« Reply #49 on: September 04, 2012, 05:15:16 pm »
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Question:

Which would run a faster e/t? A 1.6 with a huge turbo making 200+ hp with a narrow powerband or a quite less powerful VNT set up with more consistent powerband. Say maybe a vnt-20? I'm just asking here. So forgive the newbness. It might run a much lower trap speed but I'm just curious if it's possible to get a lower e/t than a 16 with 250hp.. Of course i'm still stuck in the mindset of gassers running 16's off of 150hp and substantially heavier cars... Not that my car runs or would ever be taken to the track if it did. Just curious haha.
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Reply #50September 05, 2012, 04:40:29 pm

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« Reply #50 on: September 05, 2012, 04:40:29 pm »
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Question:

Which would run a faster e/t? A 1.6 with a huge turbo making 200+ hp with a narrow powerband or a quite less powerful VNT set up with more consistent powerband. Say maybe a vnt-20? I'm just asking here. So forgive the newbness. It might run a much lower trap speed but I'm just curious if it's possible to get a lower e/t than a 16 with 250hp.. Of course i'm still stuck in the mindset of gassers running 16's off of 150hp and substantially heavier cars... Not that my car runs or would ever be taken to the track if it did. Just curious haha.

Yes a much better et is possible, the 60 foot times were really bad its seems josh wilk be the first one to admit that and that's where u basically make or break your et times and the trap speeds usually stay in the same range.  Some people may disagree but in a drag race the larger turbos going to be faster because launching aside u spend the majority of the time at higher rpms where the larger turbo will be most efficient.  But a vnt20 is a big turbo so it probably wouldn't be all that different unless there was auto crossing or something with lots of acceleration and deceleration where the vnt technological can flex its muscles and show its superiority
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Reply #51September 06, 2012, 12:15:26 am

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« Reply #51 on: September 06, 2012, 12:15:26 am »
Hi,

in my experiency is all about the overall-powerband, which includes the gearbox and the tires. My AAZ Golf 2 MK II has actual 190 hp and still struggle to make better 1/8 or 1/4 time than in the time it has had 165 hp with a K14 turbo and instand boost. And please do not misunderstood me, i am realy happy with the way my S100 turbo spools and it is way of from being lagy, but due to the bigger inertia of the turbo shaft, it needs valuable longer to come back after shifting.

And to come back to the "overall-powerband", from the line my golf has exactly the same pace as an 2004 BMW E46 - 330D Touring with 5-speed autobox and 204 hp, whichs means that the BMW has 15 hp power gain and ~650 kg more weight, which should make my Golf way faster on paper.  The different is that my gearbox-tire combination is not a perfect fit for my engine, the first gear is way to short (only spinning wheels) and the third gear is a bit to short, while the BMW autobox is a perfect fit for the engine and also did not have any valuable acceleration cuts during shifting, it is even hard to find shifting action in the g-force diagram. With my S100 in the Golf its takes between 0,6 s and 0,9 s before the g-force is fully back during shifting. From what i have calculated and measured i could make a second gear start with a sinter clutch, which should bring ~ 1,0 - 1,2 s lower et times.

As sum up, i try to say that instant boost and very low inertia turbo will valueable decrease your et time, mainly due to the fact the they come back very fast after shifting action.

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Reply #52September 06, 2012, 12:36:45 am

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« Reply #52 on: September 06, 2012, 12:36:45 am »
You are not power shifting?

Reply #53September 06, 2012, 05:56:05 am

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« Reply #53 on: September 06, 2012, 05:56:05 am »
Very interesting discussion about power from VW IDI engines.  There are certainly some very powerful (HP to displacement) engines that have been built by forum members around the globe.  I think that this kind of innovation from individual gearheads is often more valuable than the R&D departments at major automotive manufacturers.

Over the last year or so, I have been working on a project to build a vehicle to run at the Bonneville salt flats (H/Diesel Truck class).  I aim to make my record attempt at World Of Speed next summer, running a 1.5L VW IDI diesel, based on a 1.6L turbo block.  I do not think for a moment that I will have built the highest HP 1.5L diesel anyone has ever built, but I do intend to be competitive against the existing record.

The racers at Bonneville refer to the track as the "Great White Dyno", and the dyno doesn't lie.  During a run, the engine's power will eventually come to equilibrium with the rolling and aero drag forces.   At a minimum, this type of racing requires multiple full-throttle pass over a 3 mile long course.  That kind of effort requires sustained HP, not just a quick burst on a chassis dyno for 5 seconds, or a dragstrip run for 10-15 seconds.  On the long course, a distance of 5 miles is covered, for vehicles that are capable of running over 175 mph after the 2nd mile. 

There are several teams currently campaigning Streamliners who might very well be interested in running high-HP, small displacement diesel engines.  For anyone who thinks they might have a competitive engine, you might want to check out www.Landracing.com to learn more or to hook up with a team who might be looking for a partner.   

It's just interesting the way different folks think about HP application. 

Thanks for reading my ramble.

Steve.

Reply #54September 06, 2012, 09:32:14 am

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« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2012, 09:32:14 am »
Very interesting discussion about power from VW IDI engines.  There are certainly some very powerful (HP to displacement) engines that have been built by forum members around the globe.  I think that this kind of innovation from individual gearheads is often more valuable than the R&D departments at major automotive manufacturers.

Over the last year or so, I have been working on a project to build a vehicle to run at the Bonneville salt flats (H/Diesel Truck class).  I aim to make my record attempt at World Of Speed next summer, running a 1.5L VW IDI diesel, based on a 1.6L turbo block.  I do not think for a moment that I will have built the highest HP 1.5L diesel anyone has ever built, but I do intend to be competitive against the existing record.

The racers at Bonneville refer to the track as the "Great White Dyno", and the dyno doesn't lie.  During a run, the engine's power will eventually come to equilibrium with the rolling and aero drag forces.   At a minimum, this type of racing requires multiple full-throttle pass over a 3 mile long course.  That kind of effort requires sustained HP, not just a quick burst on a chassis dyno for 5 seconds, or a dragstrip run for 10-15 seconds.  On the long course, a distance of 5 miles is covered, for vehicles that are capable of running over 175 mph after the 2nd mile.  

There are several teams currently campaigning Streamliners who might very well be interested in running high-HP, small displacement diesel engines.  For anyone who thinks they might have a competitive engine, you might want to check out www.Landracing.com to learn more or to hook up with a team who might be looking for a partner.  

It's just interesting the way different folks think about HP application.  

Thanks for reading my ramble.

Steve.

Steve, you are too late for this year.. saw rigs headed to bonneville last night..

AF Dick had his F350 all loaded up on the trailer behind the semi.. hes going for over 300mph this year..

the Joint Venture freightliner is going for 400...

The AF Dick truck has a 12V92 Detroit, with a 3800 RPM governor..

2 big turbos, and 2 HUGE turbos, as well as the 2 superchargers as well..

70+ psi boost..
« Last Edit: September 06, 2012, 10:36:12 am by R.O.R-2.0 »
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #55September 06, 2012, 10:28:53 am

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« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2012, 10:28:53 am »
I'm shooting for next year.


Reply #56September 06, 2012, 11:18:52 am

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« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2012, 11:18:52 am »
And that Freightliner is extra-SICK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsxbGdhCi8

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Reply #57September 06, 2012, 11:58:57 am

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« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2012, 11:58:57 am »
Current record in AA/Diesel Truck, held by the AF Dick truck is 202 mph.

Current record in U/Modified Diesel Truck, held by Joint Venture is 228 mph.

Reply #58September 06, 2012, 03:37:19 pm

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« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2012, 03:37:19 pm »
Current record in AA/Diesel Truck, held by the AF Dick truck is 202 mph.

Current record in U/Modified Diesel Truck, held by Joint Venture is 228 mph.

oh, i know..

he seems to think he will be able to go 300 this time tho..

and yes, the freightliner is the dopest dope..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #59September 06, 2012, 10:42:10 pm

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« Reply #59 on: September 06, 2012, 10:42:10 pm »
I'm headed to the dyno tomorrow on Friday after work. Speed Solutions is the shop with the Mustang Dyno.

So if anyone who wants to witness the carnage of the 200HP IDI limit  ;D, come on down and watch. I should be there by 5pm.

I want to get both max readings with and with/o nitrous.
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'13 Golf R:. Tuned
'98 Puch G320