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Reply #30April 23, 2009, 05:22:19 am

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2009, 05:22:19 am »
just to throw a wrench in this thread..

I believe the stock N/a exhaust is just as free flowing as the Gasser exhaust.



Sure the gasser has more defined runners in the manifold itself, but where it all gathers right above where it splits in to two pipes it is confronted with a turbulance causing "wall" so to speak. Now.. If you modify a toilet bowl exhaust downpipe and make it have a 2.5" exhaust manifold back you'll (in my mind) be better than the gasser exhaust. The gassers gotta pass the turbulance causing space between pipes, be forced in to small pipes, then open up in to the bigger ending, but not before taking an almost 90degree turn.

SO What im saying, is that the inner diameter of the diesel exhaust is already like 2.5-2.75" The only advantage the gasser would have is if you couldn't fabricate your own down pipe.  

NOW this may just be another crazy Acid Trip, and I'm realllly high off my tree.. anyone care to have a discussion :P ? seriously though, from what ive seen.. diesel looks more free flowing

Reply #31April 23, 2009, 07:49:35 am

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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2009, 07:49:35 am »
Quote from: "8v-of-fury"
just to throw a wrench in this thread..

I believe the stock N/a exhaust is just as free flowing as the Gasser exhaust.



Sure the gasser has more defined runners in the manifold itself, but where it all gathers right above where it splits in to two pipes it is confronted with a turbulance causing "wall" so to speak. Now.. If you modify a toilet bowl exhaust downpipe and make it have a 2.5" exhaust manifold back you'll (in my mind) be better than the gasser exhaust. The gassers gotta pass the turbulance causing space between pipes, be forced in to small pipes, then open up in to the bigger ending, but not before taking an almost 90degree turn.

SO What im saying, is that the inner diameter of the diesel exhaust is already like 2.5-2.75" The only advantage the gasser would have is if you couldn't fabricate your own down pipe.  

NOW this may just be another crazy Acid Trip, and I'm realllly high off my tree.. anyone care to have a discussion :P ? seriously though, from what ive seen.. diesel looks more free flowing




I see what you're saying. I'm looking at a dual downpipe and the NA diesel swivel manifold. The diesel swivel manifold is not the same as the dreaded toilet bowl manifold on my Scirocco. The rocco manifold has all of the runners squeeze though a hole the size of an exhaust port, while the diesel one merges them together. Hmmmm..... I think you're right, with a bigger downpipe the stock exhaust manifold probably wouldn't be that bad.
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Reply #32April 23, 2009, 09:25:34 am

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2009, 09:25:34 am »
and uh ,im just going by my experiences.. i ran both manifolds both ways. both with and without boost going through them. and from my highly calibrated accelerometer sensors.. the gas manifold gives you better power. end of story. my car likes the gas manifold better. but that may be that its a 1.5, and not a 1.6 like most of you run. now please everybody, lets take the anger down a few notches, or just get rid of it completely.

btw, i was talking about intakes.

i like the tri-y design of the gasser exhaust
and...
are you sure thats a gasser exhaust manifold you got there? thats the exact same manifold i pulled off my car when i put the turbo on it. and ive seen quite a few other dual down pipe diesel manifolds.

Reply #33April 23, 2009, 09:36:47 am

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2009, 09:36:47 am »
well, i've already got the gasser mani bolted on and the head in place so it's not coming off unless it's obviously worse - or if I HAVE to remove the head again for something.

Sounds like the conclusion is it's better to keep stock mani's on a NA and spend your money elsewhere (ie larger downpipe etc)... luckily I had them laying around so it wasn't a waste of money.

Reply #34April 23, 2009, 10:17:46 am

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2009, 10:17:46 am »
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are you sure thats a gasser exhaust manifold you got there? thats the exact same manifold i pulled off my car when i put the turbo on it. and ive seen quite a few other dual down pipe diesel manifolds.


I pulled one like that off a '79 rabbit w/ a 1.6CIS, my '82 rabbit 1.6D has a toilet bowl, I also have a '84 rabbit w/ a carbureted 1.7 with a toilet bowl. But IIRC my 77-84 diesel bentley shows both styles for the diesel, and the 77-84 gasser bentley also shows both styles too, I think the toilet bowl mustuv came on later models.
'82 Rabbit, I put on a euro vnt-15, 2.25" DP, 2.5" exhaust, the result.....it whistled.

I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
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Reply #35April 23, 2009, 10:18:13 am

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2009, 10:18:13 am »
Quote from: "idgtd"
Hmmmm..... I think you're right, with a bigger downpipe the stock exhaust manifold probably wouldn't be that bad.


Thats what im gonna run. Just take the small down pipe lob of the swivel connection, and then run a 2.5" straight back and dump the cherry bomb out the side :P:P

Reply #36April 23, 2009, 10:40:41 am

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2009, 10:40:41 am »
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I pulled one like that off a '79 rabbit w/ a 1.6CIS, my '82 rabbit 1.6D has a toilet bowl, I also have a '84 rabbit w/ a carbureted 1.7 with a toilet bowl. But IIRC my 77-84 diesel bentley shows both styles for the diesel, and the 77-84 gasser bentley also shows both styles too, I think the toilet bowl mustuv came on later models.


Yeah, I've seen several different variations of manifold and downpipe configurations in the different service manuals for these cars. In one of my manuals it shows a swivel type manifold with a merged collector and dual downpipe! I've never seen one of those in the flesh, but apparently something out there came with it.

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 the gas manifold gives you better power. end of story. my car likes the gas manifold better.



Which gas intake manifold did you use? Externally most of the non-crossflow ones are similar (except for the throttle body being on the other side of course) but some flow much more than others, some have more material for porting, etc.
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1981 VW Rabbit Diesel (mit turbolader)
1985 VW Scirocco Wolfsburg Ed.
1970 Porsche 911T
1972 MG Midget
1996 Chevy C3500 Dually
1930 Model A Ford

Reply #37April 23, 2009, 12:40:41 pm

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2009, 12:40:41 pm »
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Quote from: "rabbitman"

I pulled one like that off a '79 rabbit w/ a 1.6CIS, my '82 rabbit 1.6D has a toilet bowl, I also have a '84 rabbit w/ a carbureted 1.7 with a toilet bowl. But IIRC my 77-84 diesel bentley shows both styles for the diesel, and the 77-84 gasser bentley also shows both styles too, I think the toilet bowl mustuv came on later models.


Yeah, I've seen several different variations of manifold and downpipe configurations in the different service manuals for these cars. In one of my manuals it shows a swivel type manifold with a merged collector and dual downpipe! I've never seen one of those in the flesh, but apparently something out there came with it.

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 the gas manifold gives you better power. end of story. my car likes the gas manifold better.



Which gas intake manifold did you use? Externally most of the non-crossflow ones are similar (except for the throttle body being on the other side of course) but some flow much more than others, some have more material for porting, etc.


ive got a manifold off a RV code Digifant 1 engine from a 90 - 92 jetta/golf. when it was on my jetta, i had a k&n intake system on it, and it friggen roared. so when that engine came out of my jetta, i had this manifold laying around, and i was never really fond of the turbo intake, as the runners are pretty much right angles. and the digi manifold had way bigger runners than the n/a and t/d manifolds. another user got pretty mad at me because he says the n/a diesel manifolds have bigger runners. i had to port my head a bit just to gasket match it with the intake. but whatever, i accidently put a gas intake on my engine, loved it, and will never go back. and no one can tell me otherwise.. until i build my own custom intake  :twisted:

Reply #38April 23, 2009, 12:49:32 pm

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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2009, 12:49:32 pm »
yes the one pictured on the left is for sure the original exhaust mani off my '79 gasser.

I was thinking... I wonder if the HUGE volume of the diesel intake plenum could actually cause the air to diffuse more so than in the smaller gas intake plenum which might direct the air more efficiently :?:

I know we were debating which one was bigger, but maybe it's about which one is more effective  :?:

I have no answers or data on that, just thoughts in my head  :roll:

Reply #39April 23, 2009, 12:52:39 pm

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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2009, 12:52:39 pm »
i dont see how it can flow too horribly well, theres a plate that comes down off the roof of the intake and pretty much blocks half of all the ports. i think its something to do with the breather system.. but whatever it is, its retarded.

Reply #40April 23, 2009, 01:27:06 pm

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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2009, 01:27:06 pm »
Quote from: "Rabbit on Roids"


ive got a manifold off a RV code Digifant 1 engine from a 90 - 92 jetta/golf. when it was on my jetta, i had a k&n intake system on it, and it friggen roared. so when that engine came out of my jetta, i had this manifold laying around, and i was never really fond of the turbo intake, as the runners are pretty much right angles. and the digi manifold had way bigger runners than the n/a and t/d manifolds. another user got pretty mad at me because he says the n/a diesel manifolds have bigger runners. i had to port my head a bit just to gasket match it with the intake. but whatever, i accidently put a gas intake on my engine, loved it, and will never go back. and no one can tell me otherwise.. until i build my own custom intake  :twisted:



Agreed that the turbo intake sucks. And all of this is apples to oranges anyhow since the earlier CIS manifolds (like the OP has) sucked compared to the later digi manifolds, particularly the G60 one. For the record, I wasn't mad, just setting the record straight for the stuff the OP actually has.
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1985 VW Scirocco Wolfsburg Ed.
1970 Porsche 911T
1972 MG Midget
1996 Chevy C3500 Dually
1930 Model A Ford

Reply #41April 23, 2009, 03:31:47 pm

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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2009, 03:31:47 pm »
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the earlier CIS manifolds (like the OP has) sucked compared to the later digi manifolds, particularly the G60 one.


this is a digifant manifold, right?



what do the G60 ones look like? I might try to find one at a junk yard.

Reply #42April 23, 2009, 10:42:15 pm

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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2009, 10:42:15 pm »
There's a G60 in the for sale section to look at.

Reply #43April 24, 2009, 03:56:40 am

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« Reply #43 on: April 24, 2009, 03:56:40 am »
it will be harder to find the g60 intake in a junkyard....but not impossible

Reply #44April 24, 2009, 05:25:19 am

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« Reply #44 on: April 24, 2009, 05:25:19 am »
my g60 intake, I'll try to find some better pictures:



RabbitGTDguy used it on his TDI, with the g60 boost return section as a transition to round.  I've got it on my 1.6 and it's a great cheap solution.
heres another thread with more pictures
http://vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11900
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