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Reply #120January 05, 2009, 04:38:47 pm

rallydiesel

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« Reply #120 on: January 05, 2009, 04:38:47 pm »
Quote from: "TurboJ"

If you really think about it, a 1.6 TD mk2 Golf / Jetta is a VERY smart basis for a fast road car. Simple, easy to work on, cheap to service and to modify, robust and great in handling. Can do 55 MPG, can do 240 km/h... Add to that the classic looks and all that pedigree - It's perfect really! Those who rant on about 'it's crazy to put all that time and money into such cheap, old car - they just don't know what they're talking about.
I'm so anxious to get behind the wheel of my beast!  :twisted:


Well said.
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
1991 Jetta TD - sold :(
2001 Golf TDI - Son's
1981 Rabbit - BEW tdi swap project

"ONCE YOU GO CLACK, YOU NEVER GO BACK"

Reply #121January 05, 2009, 04:50:15 pm

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« Reply #121 on: January 05, 2009, 04:50:15 pm »
Thanks!  8)
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Reply #122January 11, 2009, 02:28:40 pm

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« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2009, 02:28:40 pm »
This time I have rather many updates to post :)

This weekend Aki came by my garage and brought with him my newly built 1.6 bottom end. The inlet and exhaust manifolds have also taken shape. Some test fitting followed, about which later.

We also started to do the bodywork reinforcements.
Aki had experience from a racing mk2 he had built before, so it was one step easier for me not having to learn the hard way.
BUT, the MIG welder was not cooperating at all - and since it was saturday evening, we couldn't get spares anywhere.

We did get to a start anyway:


The door surrounds were drilled every inch or so - not full holes, but so that the tip of the drill could just be seen from the other side. This way it should be easier to fill the holes.



The holes were then filled with big 'old bungs - better to have a secure weld and grind some off later..



...and because this is first and foremost, a street vehicle, grind is what we did ( flat surfaces help when fitting the door seals).

I'm going to follow this same procedure with the windshield frame as well.
The rear screen surround is going to be left as is, because the lower part is already pretty stiff after all the rust repairs, and the rear end has better torsional rigidity already, than a Golf for example ( a sedan bodyshell is better in this respect). And I do also have a rear strut brace, which should help too.



The seams in the engine compartment will also be seen to.
The gaps are surprisingly generous from the factory (!)
No wonder there's so thick a layer of that gooey seam sealer stuff - which, BTW, is a real pleasure to remove...


So the welding didn't get to a great start, but now that I have all the theory and know the places to work on, I should be able to tackle the job on my own.
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Reply #123January 11, 2009, 02:36:51 pm

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« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2009, 02:36:51 pm »
Then to the more interesting bits..


The bottom end is basically complete.
Inside are 0.5 mm oversize pistons and rings - which were balanced to 2 grams accuracy along with the connecting rods. The crankshaft is the only completely stock engine part. We figured no lightening was necessery as the 1.6 crank was found to be considerably lighter than the 1.9 one.
The rods needed new upper rings, and all the bearings were naturally renewed.
The main bearing caps are stock, but they are tightened to the block with special high-strenght sockets and custom bolts, through the main girdle.
Below the girdle is the 1.9 D (1Y) oil baffle.
Aki has fitted some new internals into the oil pump, as well as the vacuum pump. An AAZ crank case breather was added too. I think the 1.6 should always had one. Well, now it does.
The engine recipe looks good, and in the future I may be adding a reinforced slave axle to the equation. They can snap you know..



Another angle of the bottom end. I reckon that should be a bit strong!



Honing marks are in the right angle now that Aki has worked his magic, which could not be said of the job a reputable engine shop had done 15k kms earlier...



Oil baffle and oil pump test fitted once again.
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Reply #124January 11, 2009, 02:38:18 pm

rallydiesel

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« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2009, 02:38:18 pm »
Awesome thread. Do you have to keep the surrounding area cool somehow or is danger of warping not a problem? Keep up the good work!
2006 Jetta TDI - gtb1749v, Malone 2, Frank's Titan 2 cam, VR6 clutch....
1991 Jetta TD - sold :(
2001 Golf TDI - Son's
1981 Rabbit - BEW tdi swap project

"ONCE YOU GO CLACK, YOU NEVER GO BACK"

Reply #125January 11, 2009, 02:51:26 pm

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« Reply #125 on: January 11, 2009, 02:51:26 pm »
I will lift the engine in its place during the following days so I can start designing the boost pipes and the downpipe. In order to do so I need a head and some manifolds. Aki obliged..

A dummy 1.9 head was fitted on top of the block and the almost-complete inlet and exhaust manifolds could then be fitted on it.
My own special cyl. head is still being worked on, as it will have quite extensive modifications.



The exhaust manifold is ready apart from final polishing and the addition of an EGT probe. The manifold has a ceramic coating which should help reduce radiated heat, and also improve turbo response since more energy is channeled to the turbine housing.
That's a kind of an exhaust manifold you get by welding a T3 flange onto a N/A 1.9 cast iron manifold 8)



And there we have the little turbo.
It DOES look small next to the engine and manifold, doesn't it?
The turbine has ample clearance to the engine block ( a heat shield will fit there still ), but the compressor is "pretty close" to say the least.
If I manage to fit the waste gate assembly the way I like, I will clock the compressor housing so that it faces downwards. From there, I will route the boost pipe UNDER the gearbox to meet the FMIC. Yes it's cramped in there, but then the boost pipes only have 2" diameter which should help.



Next thing was naturally the fitment of the inlet manifold.
A pretty neat little package has been fabbed up from the 1Y factory inlet that was just sitting in a parts bin.
On the third picture you can see how the twin-plenum system is put together: The boost pipe is continued on the side of the plenum, partially IN the plenum actually. Then a small opening is machined to the pipe.
This design will keep any flow-back from the inlet tracts to a minimum.
It does look like a tight little hole through which the inlet air must flow, but once you calculate its surface area, it actually doesn't hinder flow much at all. All things considered, it can be clearly seen why these manifolds have been used on racing turbo engines since the group B rally cars. The flow to each port is made equal, back-flow is almost negated and total flow capacity remains good. More HP, more even fueling, less smoke and less strain on the engine.
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Reply #126January 11, 2009, 02:54:53 pm

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« Reply #126 on: January 11, 2009, 02:54:53 pm »
Quote from: "rallydiesel"
Awesome thread. Do you have to keep the surrounding area cool somehow or is danger of warping not a problem? Keep up the good work!


Thanks mate!

No warping really. Since we're doing this with spot welds, there's no warpage to speak of. Actually, I did manage to warp some places when I was drilling the holes  :P
The drilling bit is actually pretty challenging, because there are very different areas on the door surrounds. Some places have two sheets, some three or even four (!) sheets on top of eachother. And then there are places that have high-strenght steel. Really, the drilling is the difficult part!
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Reply #127January 11, 2009, 03:00:52 pm

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« Reply #127 on: January 11, 2009, 03:00:52 pm »
Here's how the complete package looks once the "new" 02A gearbox is also test fitted to meet the engine:

The boost pipe coming to the inlet manifold is what I call "a not very tight bend". I will be putting considerable effort in designing and routing the boost pipes. It was once measured that in this power range, every tight 90-degree bend robs 3-4 engine horsepower. Make that 4-5 bends total and you could lose 20 hp on the boost pipes alone :!:
Sure you can take it back by turning up the boost, but think about it, 20 hp's worth less engine stress and the same performance..
When it's all done, I can promise that under the hood  the engine will look very different to most VW diesels
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Reply #128January 11, 2009, 03:05:17 pm

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« Reply #128 on: January 11, 2009, 03:05:17 pm »
Today I went back to the garage and decided to begin 'cosmetic finishing' of the inlet manifold.





The easy seams I grinded flat and with a special polishing tool I started on the flat surfaces. It's still a very long way to go, but you get the general idea. I'm going to have to figure out how to do the places that are hard to get to, though. I will NOT do it by hand with sand paper!
What I'm after is that smooth 'factory look', not some bright chrome-style glow. If anyone knows how to achieve that without excessive effort, let me know!
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Reply #129January 11, 2009, 03:10:06 pm

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« Reply #129 on: January 11, 2009, 03:10:06 pm »
Here's the 02A out of a parted-out Passat 35i diesel.

It will have to be cleaned and detailed of course.
I think I'll re-paint the parts that come off easily, but the gearbox case itself will be left bare aluminium. It should come pretty good once I acid-treat it.

I hope this gearbox has some long ratios - I had super long on the 020, but once I got offered this 02A I just couldn't refdure - these are so much stronger and the clutch will be much easier to do as well.
I just don't want it to be a 'screamer' on the highway, and I do like a nice top speed too. With my planned power output, the Jetta should be able to do way, way past 125 mph if the gearing allows it.
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Reply #130January 11, 2009, 03:17:02 pm

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« Reply #130 on: January 11, 2009, 03:17:02 pm »
Hello,

very impressive build up. I like the intake manifold very much, what is the diameter of the boost pipe 2" and will can you please share the dimension of the gap (between the two plenums)?

Because i can`t find a 1.9 NA Intake here, i have bought a 2.4 NA  (6 cylinder) intake from a VW LT28. Today i have seen pictures from aki and think he has also a used the LT intake, it is correct?

I just get it yesterday and not tryed, if the middle of the six ports, fit our 1.6 td engines. Here is a link to this type:
http://cgi.ebay.de/VW-LT-28-35-40-Ansaugbruecke-Ansaugkruemmer-Saugd-DW_W0QQitemZ290275099963QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutoteile_Zubeh%C3%B6r?hash=item290275099963&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229%7C66%3A4%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

Best regards
VW Golf Mk1 (Typ 17) 1981 with 1.6 TD
BMW E28 524 TD

Reply #131January 11, 2009, 03:41:08 pm

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« Reply #131 on: January 11, 2009, 03:41:08 pm »
Quote from: "Alleslowbuged"
Hello,

very impressive build up. I like the intake manifold very much, what is the diameter of the boost pipe 2" and will can you please share the dimension of the gap (between the two plenums)?

Because i can`t find a 1.9 NA Intake here, i have bought a 2.4 NA  (6 cylinder) intake from a VW LT28. Today i have seen pictures from aki and think he has also a used the LT intake, it is correct?

I just get it yesterday and not tryed, if the middle of the six ports, fit our 1.6 td engines.

Best regards


Thanks for your kind words!

Yes, my boost pipes are 2" diameter. No need to go bigger than that if you have less than 250 hp. A too big pipe will harm performance actually.
Look at WRC cars for example :!:
The inlet pipe's side of the manifold is made in the same diameter as the boost pipes, to reduce flow losses.

You're right the LT manifold fits the 1.6 once you take the outer two runners off. In fact, the LT manifold is the most popular upgrade on a 1.6 as it even has the correct port size and shape to match the 1.6 head.
Sorry - I can't help you with the gap width etc. right now because my specs won't work on the LT manifold. A twin plenum system requires careful calculation of inlet tube, primary and secondary plenum measurements... You have to do a lot of math and I'n not an expert there I'm afraid! You can PM Aki, he knows his stuff :)
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Reply #132January 11, 2009, 04:48:38 pm

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« Reply #132 on: January 11, 2009, 04:48:38 pm »
Oftopic question.
What taxroules do you got in Finland , any taxfree year ?

Keep up the god work !

Reply #133January 11, 2009, 04:52:39 pm

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« Reply #133 on: January 11, 2009, 04:52:39 pm »
Thanks!

Nah.. Nothing's tax free in Finland!  :P
That's also one reason why I like to build older cars.

What were you wondering about the tax rules in particular?
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Reply #134January 11, 2009, 05:00:38 pm

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« Reply #134 on: January 11, 2009, 05:00:38 pm »
I mean the roadtax.
If there is any year that the car become free from the taxes.

In Sweden, when our cars turn over to 30 year or older they are completely taxfree  :D
Now itīs 1979 or older, next year 1980 and so on.

Best regards.
Anton.