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Engine Specific Info and Questions => IDI Engine => Topic started by: Tag-Along on December 03, 2009, 10:09:23 am
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I am looking into purchasing an AAZ from someone locally. The guy who is selling it gave me a very brief breakdown of info. He said he has had it for 3 yrs and in that time it has been in a storage unit untouched. The guy he bought it from worked at NGP at the time and he told him that it came off of an economy Jetta and has roughly 100k on the engine. I asked for pictures and got two rather crappy pictures, but it does show that it seems to be complete (other than a missing alt). It does appear to be rather dirty. Now I'm not sure if that is from it being in storage for 3 yrs w/its current owner and who knows how many yrs with the past owner, or if it's possibly oil. It does have hoses attached so hopefully the dirt has been kept out of them and the engine itself.
Since the guy is local to me I will be able to pick it up and avoid outrageous shipping charges. If I were to get it I would at the very least change the oil, glow plugs, timing belt, and water pump. Any other suggestions?
AND the most important question of all: What do you all think is a good price to pay for a complete AAZ w/supposedly 100k on it (locally picked up)?
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OK...since I've had a bunch of views and NO responses I'll shoot out what I think is reasonable...but you guys have to let me know.
I was thinking around $800 for a complete engine locally picked up is reasonable.
What do you guys think?
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Condition of turbo would tell me about everything, take it off and inspect it..
belt's etc.
Gee-Bee
Happened to me , I pulled he turbo gave it to him and deducted 400.00 off the price
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In my experience AAZ's aren't that common on the east coast, so you may pay a premium. if it is the Eco model it is lacking the LDA on the pump, which means no extra fuel under boost. Fixing that will set you back a few hundred for sure. I learned this the hard way. A diesel with 100k on the clock still probably has a lot of life in it. I paid a dollar a cc for mine with no known history and I believe that was fair. I think $800 would be a steal for a complete engine with pump and turbo assuming nothing is cracked or warped.
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I have a extra late model pump for 200.00 if you need it, if not I will have three going to Giles
Gee-Bee
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when i went to buy my engine, i had never looked at a vw diesel, reallty didnt know what the hell i was looking at, but i did take the intake hose off, and to my surprise, there were NO BLADES ON THE COMPRESSOR WHEEL! haha, anyway, the guy knocked 50 bucks off the price, so i picked up an 84 MF for 250 bucks.
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when i went to buy my engine, i had never looked at a vw diesel, reallty didnt know what the hell i was looking at, but i did take the intake hose off, and to my surprise, there were NO BLADES ON THE COMPRESSOR WHEEL! haha, anyway, the guy knocked 50 bucks off the price, so i picked up an 84 MF for 250 bucks.
yeah, but you are in the PNW. there are VW's and MKI's galore up there. The southeast is a whole different story completely. A diesel rabbit in good condition will sell for $3,000 down here. I imagine Maryland is somewhere in between your feast and my famine.
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So how do you tell the difference between a Eco Model 1.9 and AAZ 1.9? I'm looking at a 1994 Golf from Canada with a 1.9 TD, how do I know what it has in it?
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So how do you tell the difference between a Eco Model 1.9 and AAZ 1.9? I'm looking at a 1994 Golf from Canada with a 1.9 TD, how do I know what it has in it?
I was told the eco versions were very base model AAZ's....no power steering and no A/C. So if you don't see either than it's probably an eco model. Power wise it should all be the same.
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So how do you tell the difference between a Eco Model 1.9 and AAZ 1.9? I'm looking at a 1994 Golf from Canada with a 1.9 TD, how do I know what it has in it?
On the top of the injection pump sits a fuel enrichment device called a LDA. Its appearance is often likened to a space ship. It should have a nipple on it with a hose running to the intake manifold. if it does not and it is just a flat piece of aluminum screwed on it it is an Eco and the LDA is empty, which means no extra fuel under boost, which means power wise it is far from the same.
If you search LDA or anything about pump modding on here you are sure to find pictures and way more info on it.
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+1^^ If you can get it for under a Grand, you stole it, even if it needs a rebuild. Giles will charge $250 to convert to a real turbo LDA if you send him your pump for a performance rebuild. I found that one out the hard way too! :P
Just pull off the intake hose at the turbo to inspect the compressor wheel; if the blades are deformed or if you can push-pull axially on the center nut and feel a lot of play the turbo is suspect. Check security of the crank pulley, and condition (presence!) of timing belt...that's all I can think of without taking parts off the engine.
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I was told the eco versions were very base model AAZ's....no power steering
No such thing. All mk3s have power steering and AAZs only came in MK3s and Passats (which also all have PS)
AAZ eco pumps and true TD are tricky to differentiate between. There are many different variations of the eco pump. If it has a nipple on it then it is almost certainly a true TD pump.
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I was told the eco versions were very base model AAZ's....no power steering
No such thing. All mk3s have power steering and AAZs only came in MK3s and Passats (which also all have PS)
AAZ eco pumps and true TD are tricky to differentiate between. There are many different variations of the eco pump. If it has a nipple on it then it is almost certainly a true TD pump.
How come this is the first person to tell me that the AAZ's all came with power steering? I posted a question about the absence of power steering in another thread and no one said anything : http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=22311.msg174962#msg174962 (http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=22311.msg174962#msg174962)
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I also had someone post in this thread (which that post is no longer here...don't know why, but anyway) that there is a difference in the power between the eco model AAZ's and the regular AAZ's. Something about extra fuel delivery under boost?
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I also had someone post in this thread (which that post is no longer here...don't know why, but anyway) that there is a difference in the power between the eco model AAZ's and the regular AAZ's. Something about extra fuel delivery under boost?
That part is true... the eco AAZs have what amounts to a NA injector pump, there's no LDA, and no (or very little) fuel enrichment under boost. I got saddled with one of those, I had to have the LDA added to the pump to use it as a true turbo pump that will let me dump as much fuel in as the motor can process.
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At the risk of sounding stupid (remember I'm brand new to diesels)...what does LDA stand for? Would anyone happen to have a supply company or part number for this in case I need it?
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I have a extra late model pump for 200.00 if you need it, if not I will have three going to Giles
Gee-Bee
If I buy this engine and I see that I need one, I will definitely hit you up!
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At the risk of sounding stupid (remember I'm brand new to diesels)...what does LDA stand for? Would anyone happen to have a supply company or part number for this in case I need it?
It's German. It's what visually makes a TD pump different from a NA pump. The UFO looking thing on the top... 0 460 494 182 is the best 1.6 TD pump number (I think)
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I was editing and posting some pics for my build, so I snapped this one for you
(http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu107/kaputtschlagen/LDA.jpg)
this is the piece you are looking for the LDA/ufo/spaceship on top of the injection pump.
(it would also be great if your new pump also had a tag hanging off of it that said performance diesel injection with Giles' smiling face on it, but that may be hoping for too much ;))
you could always take pictures of the engine and post them on here and get feedback before buying. We might be able to offer some guidance from our experiences and numerous mistakes. Just a thought.
cheers, and good luck
Ryan
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Thanks for the picture...that really helps! I do have pictures, 2 crappy ones, and that portion of the engine is just outside of the pictures. These are the pictures I get from the seller. I asked him if it had the LDA and he had NO clue what I was talking about.
(http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr2/jgb71883/Wanted%20Parts/aaz1.jpg)
(http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr2/jgb71883/Wanted%20Parts/aaz2.jpg)
So, do you guys suggest I get a new pump if this engine does not have the LDA? I may go look at it this weekend.
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I also had someone tell em that ALL the AAZ's came with power steering, and the seller is telling me otherwise...who is correct? He said since it came off of an eco Jetta is doesn't come standard with power steering.
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My AAz had power steering, that was the first thing I pulled off
New timing belt, TDI crank gear, waterpump, new 90 amp Alt,clutch to be safe..
I sent all the brackets out for powdercoating and I found a set of AAZ a/c brackets for the Future
I felt alone since i was the first for techtonic's tuning to build a AAZ KO3 downpipe 2'5
I sent them a K14 and manifold to make sure they had the correct pattern for that also
Iam presently having a tool ( mandrell) for the intake 90 duct in silicone, no one does it so i guess I will..
I was at 2200.00 with a CSD transmission 5 speed, my turbo was worn so I sent gpopshop a few cores and Iam waiting on a KO3 /Ko4 hybrid
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Looks like that engine has a K03 on it.
MK3s or Passats never came without power steering on this side of the pond (no idea what Europe had) and AAZs only came in Mk3s and Passats. This is excluding Industrial, Marine etc engines.
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My AAz had power steering, that was the first thing I pulled off
New timing belt, TDI crank gear, waterpump, new 90 amp Alt,clutch to be safe..
I sent all the brackets out for powdercoating and I found a set of AAZ a/c brackets for the Future
I felt alone since i was the first for techtonic's tuning to build a AAZ KO3 downpipe 2'5
I sent them a K14 and manifold to make sure they had the correct pattern for that also
Iam presently having a tool ( mandrell) for the intake 90 duct in silicone, no one does it so i guess I will..
I was at 2200.00 with a CSD transmission 5 speed, my turbo was worn so I sent gpopshop a few cores and Iam waiting on a KO3 /Ko4 hybrid
Sounds like you are doing a lot of mods to yours! I'm just looking for a reliable diesel that will have some power...that if I wanted to add any mods to I could with some ease.
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Looks like that engine has a K03 on it.
MK3s or Passats never came without power steering on this side of the pond (no idea what Europe had) and AAZs only came in Mk3s and Passats. This is excluding Industrial, Marine etc engines.
So is the K03 a good turbo?
And I guess I will have to discuss the lack of the power steering pump/accesories with the seller. He told me they didn't come with it, but he could have been misinformed when he bought it. So it seems as though it's missing the power steering, the alternator, and the LDA....is $800 still a good price?
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yes, I have a clean KO3 with non egr manifold for sale 220.00 shipped , and I found a new 90 amp alt for 75.00 on ebay...
Just put a new belt and waterpump, I can always find you a late ID pump core
Gee-Bee
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The K03 is the smallest turbo. Good for instant boost but they are always working so they wear out faster. They don't like going much (if any) above stock boost levels
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The KO3 with KO4 exhaust housing ( Hybrid ) is the best of both world's
Gee-Bee
I get it next month from GPOPSHOP with ceramic coated housings, I have two pumps going to Giles for the next mod...
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At the risk of sounding stupid (remember I'm brand new to diesels)...what does LDA stand for? Would anyone happen to have a supply company or part number for this in case I need it?
LDA= LOAD DEPENDENT ANEROID. It controls maximum fuel delivery based on boost pressure.
Wow I had no idea AAZs were that valuable in the US. I have a good complete AAZ sitting in my shed with 370k kms on it...I'm not telling where I live though! ;D
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At the risk of sounding stupid (remember I'm brand new to diesels)...what does LDA stand for? Would anyone happen to have a supply company or part number for this in case I need it?
LDA= LOAD DEPENDENT ANEROID. It controls maximum fuel delivery based on boost pressure.
Wow I had no idea AAZs were that valuable in the US. I have a good complete AAZ sitting in my shed with 370k kms on it...I'm not telling where I live though! ;D
THANK YOU!
Yea the AAZ's are hard to come by in the US. Even though Canada is a few hours from me (at least 9 by car) the cost of getting one across the border and back home would probably be more than $800. But if I could get it for under $800...especially with that high of miles I'd be willing to make a trip!
BTW, I see that you are from Ontario ;D
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......I have a good complete AAZ sitting in my shed with 370k kms on it...I'm not telling where I live though! ;D
Well I may have to take you up on yours now. The JERK that was gonna sell me his took a deposit on it this past monday and just NOW decided to tell me! I have been asking him to see this thing for nearly a month and didn't get back to me about coming to see it until today. Oh well, he doesn't deserve my hard earned cash!
Anybody have one in decent running condition they wanna sell for cheap...like under $800 delivered/picked up?
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This is excluding Industrial, Marine etc engines.
it has a car subframe mount on it. I guarantee it's not a marine engine :D