Need Help With My Turbo

[stevenrossi]

My Car: 1994 Golf TD

Is anyone here really good with Turbochargers ... or do you know anyone thats really good with Turbochargers. I need a qualified person to take a-part my old Turbocharger and figure out what went wrong with it. He/She has got to be willing to go to Court and testify the information. My Turbo just stopped working one day and I believe its the dealerships fault --- I just need someone to help me prove it.

E-Mail [email protected] if you know anyone

your help is really appreciated.

SR

[jtanguay]

What I'd recommend you do is take it apart yourself, but videotape you doing so.   Record every angle of it!  That way any mechanic can testify in court, and does not need prior viewing of the turbo. (mechanic will probably charge you to do so...)

I remember you said could a turbocharger be harmed by high heat... I doubt it.  But if they didnt use the proper oil, bingo.  Try to document what type of oil they used, and check of its turbocharger grade, which I think is C- something.  I don't know what they put in these oils but somehow they work way better than conventional oils to lubricate the turbocharger.  Did they change the oil though?  I forget what kind of job they did to your car.. but I'm guessing they did change the oil (its easy enough to do in a garage)

Or... they tried to re-use the oil, or did not change the oil at all... at that point its totally they're fault since turbocharged engines need more oilchanges (wouldnt it be nice if the oil lubricating the turbocharger was separate from the engine oil???  could make the oil run through the engine somehow i'm sure...).   If this is the case then perhaps something got into the turbocharger somehow (past the oil filter... somehow....) and wrecked it.

Whats the temperature a turbocharger reaches???  If its around 900C or so then I could understand why turbocharged engines need different oil... otherwise the oil lubricating it might burn if the seals are worn and there is shaft play???   I'm just a newbie when it comes to this kinda stuff

Really hope you get this issue resolved!  They charge an arm and a leg, for excellent service, not something you'd expect from doing it yourself!

[chrissev]

My Car: 1994 Golf TD

Is anyone here really good with Turbochargers ... or do you know anyone thats really good with Turbochargers. I need a qualified person to take a-part my old Turbocharger and figure out what went wrong with it. He/She has got to be willing to go to Court and testify the information. My Turbo just stopped working one day and I believe its the dealerships fault --- I just need someone to help me prove it.

E-Mail [email protected] if you know anyone

your help is really appreciated.

SR

I just read over your original message and you said #1 your car overheated and #2 shortly after that you completely ran out of oil.  If you did not expect this to affect your turbo, or your engine, then I trust you don't know too much about cars.  I am surprised your head gasket didn't blow, but I guess something always goes and here it was the turbo.  Well, an oil starved, overheated turbo is going to show some signs of wear and tear after this experience.  If all that is broken is the turbo you can thank your lucky stars, grab a used turbo (go to Frisco auto parts, off Finch Ave just east of Keele - they have some used turbos sitting on shelves in the back of the store) and get your car going again.  

I know a bit about courts and I know that a judge is going to need some more proof than just you saying you know that the dealer is responsible.  So you'll really need a VW mechanic in there to give the evidence required.  Might be cheaper just to grab a used turbo and be done with it.

[jtanguay]

oh yea forgot your car ran out of oil... lol no wonder your turbo is dead!!!!  You're lucky nothing is warped either.. maybe the water took the extra heat load from the missing oil? hmmmm...  I think its common knowledge that no oil = malfunction... any judge should know that.  I doubt you would need a VW mechanic.  Just have them testify in court that a car with low or no oil will have a turbo fail, and many other parts

[stevenrossi]

My Car: 1994 Golf TD

Is anyone here really good with Turbochargers ... or do you know anyone thats really good with Turbochargers. I need a qualified person to take a-part my old Turbocharger and figure out what went wrong with it. He/She has got to be willing to go to Court and testify the information. My Turbo just stopped working one day and I believe its the dealerships fault --- I just need someone to help me prove it.

E-Mail [email protected] if you know anyone

your help is really appreciated.

SR

I just read over your original message and you said #1 your car overheated and #2 shortly after that you completely ran out of oil.  If you did not expect this to affect your turbo, or your engine, then I trust you don't know too much about cars.  I am surprised your head gasket didn't blow, but I guess something always goes and here it was the turbo.  Well, an oil starved, overheated turbo is going to show some signs of wear and tear after this experience.  If all that is broken is the turbo you can thank your lucky stars, grab a used turbo (go to Frisco auto parts, off Finch Ave just east of Keele - they have some used turbos sitting on shelves in the back of the store) and get your car going again.  

I know a bit about courts and I know that a judge is going to need some more proof than just you saying you know that the dealer is responsible.  So you'll really need a VW mechanic in there to give the evidence required.  Might be cheaper just to grab a used turbo and be done with it.

I was hoping not to lure passive aggressive replies to my post just to save myself extra explanation as to what happened. Now, chrissev - I took my car to the dealership to get a bunch of work done…an Oil Change, for starters, was among the most important on my list of preventative maintenance. When I ask to have a dealership change my oil, I'd like to think that ¾ of the price goes to the oil change and the other 1/4 goes to peace-of-mind...I left assuming that it was all taken care of. Now, if you ask for an oil change from a reputable service center, I certainly hope, for the good of all VW owners, that it actually happens - although it clearly did not in my situation. My oil light did go on shortly thereafter and it also overheated but there’s no proof on paper that I asked for an oil change because they never documented it being requested nor completed. This brings me to my current situation. I just popped $1000 for a new Turbo and I just needed someone to examine my old turbocharger and irrefutably state that the damage was UN-NATURAL and premature due to either overheating or lack of lubrication supply, so I can have something more than circumstantial evidence in court.

[chrissev]

oh, sorry.  didn't mean to sound passive aggressive.  Maybe I was tired last night.  At any rate, it's pretty obvious what happened to your turbo.  You either oil starved it or overheated it or both.  Otherwise they usually last a long time.  Mine has 400,000 km on it and still spins fine.

[jtanguay]

yea like i said though... get a video recorder and record yourself taking it apart (the very first time) make sure you get shots from each angle, don't leave anything out.  Then get the mechanic from the VW place, and get him to testify under oath what he thinks happened to the turbo.  (having a second opinion would be excellent.  Have the second opinion testify right after the VW mechanic who worked on your car, and the judge will be able to make a decision based on that information (this way, you don't pay anything to get your turbo looked at.  You can basically sepina (speld right?) the VW mechanic into coming into court etc.

hope that helps!

[Topherdiesel]

subpoena or subpena

either are fine

means: under penalty


This has been my thought of the day!

[jtanguay]

thanks topherdiesel

[stevenrossi]

yea like i said though... get a video recorder and record yourself taking it apart (the very first time) make sure you get shots from each angle, don't leave anything out.  Then get the mechanic from the VW place, and get him to testify under oath what he thinks happened to the turbo.  (having a second opinion would be excellent.  Have the second opinion testify right after the VW mechanic who worked on your car, and the judge will be able to make a decision based on that information (this way, you don't pay anything to get your turbo looked at.  You can basically sepina (speld right?) the VW mechanic into coming into court etc.

hope that helps!

Will do, Thanks very much!

SR