Author Topic: feeler; thoughts on a G60 supercharger on TD engine ? (Read 58202 times)

burn_your_money · « **Reply #75 on:** July 09, 2007, 09:57:38 am »

To me it looks like it will hit here

jtanguay · « **Reply #76 on:** July 09, 2007, 01:29:15 pm »

ah you're right... well looks like more fab time

Mk2Fanatic · « **Reply #77 on:** July 10, 2007, 03:36:19 pm »

Quote from: "burn_your_money"

To me it looks like it will hit here

As I get further into the project, I will clearance the bracket as required to clear the belt int the area you've highlighted. As for a belt cover, I've got an idea possibly a 2 piece metal one that will be part of the mount for the charger tensioner.

burn_your_money · « **Reply #78 on:** July 10, 2007, 06:00:10 pm »

Well in that case it looks to be coming along quite nicely

blkboostedtruck · « **Reply #79 on:** July 10, 2007, 07:22:53 pm »

too bad you didn't use a block that had a crank with pullys and intermediate shaft so you can dry fit the timming belt and even do more with the serpintine to see how that would work? i'm curious to see the tensioner that you are using ? that jetta you got are you gonna try the G60 on that car?
are you gonna post more pics. of your progress with it ?
thanks Duane

Mk2Fanatic · « **Reply #80 on:** July 10, 2007, 07:47:27 pm »

Quote from: "blkboostedtruck"

too bad you didn't use a block that had a crank with pullys and intermediate shaft so you can dry fit the timming belt and even do more with the serpintine to see how that would work? i'm curious to see the tensioner that you are using ? that jetta you got are you gonna try the G60 on that car?
are you gonna post more pics. of your progress with it ?
thanks Duane

A diagram showing the tensioner. It's Item 12. Used on the AEB 1.8t Motor.

The actual motor that is going in to my Jetta (the one from the pics - the car that is), still resides in the donor, a 95 passat td. The motor comes out this weekend, so i can get it rebuilt and finish rounding up all my parts. As a VW tech by day, I see enough of this stuff in my sleep, that I visualize first then dive in with both feet. I'm planning on having this as an up and running project by the end of August (depends on how fast I can get all of the money and cylinder head to Dave at PP) I should be able to have some pics with a belt and intermediate shaft mocked up by the weekend, just a matter of getting time to find my spares and sliding them in for some more camera time. As for the timing belt cover/bracket, I have a buddy who has a machine shop and took my drawings as well as my 02A flywheel to work some magic on.

Other plans as part of this project:
-full cable shift swap(02A) with a lightened flywheel and 4 puck kevlar clutch
-quaife differential
-my previously discussed engine mods(PP cam, bigger turbo, PP head work, GTI gas intake, ARP head studs and Orings, Giles super pump, PP 3" DP)
-5 lug swap front and rear with 11.1"/9.4" discs
-Vmaxx Coilovers, poly Urethane suspension, 25mm rear bar(hollow)

As I get further into this project, I will most definately be snapping pictures as I go. As for the jetta she's an 86 with one previous owner and almost 800000Km on her. Always garage kept, never winter driven with EVERY receipt from the day she was new. Few little blemishes hera and there, but overall a good 8 out of 10. Every option but sunroof, PS and AC. Previous owner was german and didn't want to wait to have a car built so took the demo home the day of his test drive and never gave her back. Sorry for rambling on, but as fellow VDub owners, you know how it gets (my 19th VW and 34th vehicle ever owned)

MikkiJayne · « **Reply #81 on:** July 11, 2007, 06:37:02 am »

Wow! Looking good

Is the G60 still in the same place it normally is? It looks like it is, but just checking :wink:

Mikki x

Mk2Fanatic · « **Reply #82 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:22:32 pm »

Quote from: "MikkiJayne"

Wow! Looking good

Is the G60 still in the same place it normally is? It looks like it is, but just checking :wink:

Mikki x

Yes it is

sjampoo · « **Reply #83 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:32:27 pm »

Great work!

I'm onto a quite similar engine build,.. Putting a G40 charger on a 1.4 non-turbo diesel.

Wondering who will run it first: I'm putting my dollars on you!

Haven't updated the topic recently, but here's a link anyway:

http://www.volksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22161&page=1&pp=40

I've had my G40 charger rebuild, and I've got about 80% of the hosing and tubing laying around now,.. but I have to ' adjust ' some panelwork, to fit the IC and tubing/hosing: Since the Polo Diesel engine isn't turbo charged, and a turbo-version of this small 1.4 diesel wasn't ever produced I need to borrow a lot of stuff from the non so common Polo 2 GT G40 (very rare: A Golf Rallye is a mass-produced compared to a Polo 2 GT G40)

Anyway: Keep us posted!

Northern RD · « **Reply #84 on:** July 11, 2007, 03:38:42 pm »

Quote from: "sjampoo"

Great work!

I'm onto a quite similar engine build,.. Putting a G40 charger on a 1.4 non-turbo diesel.

Wondering who will run it first: I'm putting my dollars on you!

Haven't updated the topic recently, but here's a link anyway:

http://www.volksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22161&page=1&pp=40

I've had my G40 charger rebuild, and I've got about 80% of the hosing and tubing laying around now,.. but I have to ' adjust ' some panelwork, to fit the IC and tubing/hosing: Since the Polo Diesel engine isn't turbo charged, and a turbo-version of this small 1.4 diesel wasn't ever produced I need to borrow a lot of stuff from the non so common Polo 2 GT G40 (very rare: A Golf Rallye is a mass-produced compared to a Polo 2 GT G40)

Anyway: Keep us posted!

damn, I HATE being on this side of the Atlantic,......

MikkiJayne · « **Reply #85 on:** July 11, 2007, 04:00:14 pm »

Quote from: "sjampoo"

Great work!
I'm onto a quite similar engine build,.. Putting a G40 charger on a 1.4 non-turbo diesel.

Wow thats some rare stuff you have there! Good luck with the build. Fab that we have both G40 and G60 builds going on

jtanguay · « **Reply #86 on:** July 11, 2007, 04:44:25 pm »

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With the mods it should be capable of doing a cold start on 100% vegetable oil.. in mid winter (and with the electric pre-heater, heat-exchanger, huge fuellines and isolation it'll be sweden capable )

um... i would only imagine what the congealed veg would do inside the motor... :shock:

Mk2Fanatic · « **Reply #87 on:** July 11, 2007, 05:24:16 pm »

Quote from: "sjampoo"

Great work!

I'm onto a quite similar engine build,.. Putting a G40 charger on a 1.4 non-turbo diesel.

Wondering who will run it first: I'm putting my dollars on you!

Haven't updated the topic recently, but here's a link anyway:

http://www.volksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22161&page=1&pp=40

I've had my G40 charger rebuild, and I've got about 80% of the hosing and tubing laying around now,.. but I have to ' adjust ' some panelwork, to fit the IC and tubing/hosing: Since the Polo Diesel engine isn't turbo charged, and a turbo-version of this small 1.4 diesel wasn't ever produced I need to borrow a lot of stuff from the non so common Polo 2 GT G40 (very rare: A Golf Rallye is a mass-produced compared to a Polo 2 GT G40)

Anyway: Keep us posted!

Interesting looking build. My next project after my tdi swap in my other jetta, is to bring something over from europe and do a swap; possibly a TDI Rallye golf or golf country...You guys get all the fun toys...

sjampoo · « **Reply #88 on:** July 12, 2007, 07:33:11 am »

Quote from: "jtanguay"

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veggie-power

um... i would only imagine what the congealed veg would do inside the motor... :shock:

I know: I've seen sponges created in the oilpan due to polymerisation..

But it's a IDI engine, thus I do not expect to much problems,.. It's the Di engines that have the unburned veggie oil drapping down the pistons that causes the veggie + mineral oils to mix.. and i'm going to run ridiculous high injection pressures, so even at cold starts all veggie-oil should 'vaporate'

The thing I'm worried about is the idle-pressure: There's no blow-off-boost-valve or bypass available: all air from the charger has to go into the engine: Will it idle? Will it run? Since there's no throttle-valves involved, I don't expect any big pressures to build up at idle, but still:Without a switchable pully or bypass: will it work?

Other thing is : I do not have a pressure adjustable pump like the TD's normally do.. and since the diesel pump is rotating the otherway around to the 'normal' Golf diesels, I can't just change to a TD pump.. I remember the USA Eco diesels: the do not have a Pressure-enrichment thingy either do they?
I'm thinking off enrichment 'all the way', since the charger will allways run, and thus will allways give an about equil amount of forced airflow at any revolution

jtanguay · « **Reply #89 on:** July 12, 2007, 02:19:03 pm »

Quote from: "sjampoo"

Quote from: "jtanguay"
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veggie-power

um... i would only imagine what the congealed veg would do inside the motor... :shock:

I know: I've seen sponges created in the oilpan due to polymerisation..

But it's a IDI engine, thus I do not expect to much problems,.. It's the Di engines that have the unburned veggie oil drapping down the pistons that causes the veggie + mineral oils to mix.. and i'm going to run ridiculous high injection pressures, so even at cold starts all veggie-oil should 'vaporate'

The thing I'm worried about is the idle-pressure: There's no blow-off-boost-valve or bypass available: all air from the charger has to go into the engine: Will it idle? Will it run? Since there's no throttle-valves involved, I don't expect any big pressures to build up at idle, but still:Without a switchable pully or bypass: will it work?

Other thing is : I do not have a pressure adjustable pump like the TD's normally do.. and since the diesel pump is rotating the otherway around to the 'normal' Golf diesels, I can't just change to a TD pump.. I remember the USA Eco diesels: the do not have a Pressure-enrichment thingy either do they?
I'm thinking off enrichment 'all the way', since the charger will allways run, and thus will allways give an about equil amount of forced airflow at any revolution

what you could do is turn up your fuel screw and reduce idle speed to compensate. the charger couldn't be making more than a few psi at idle, but still that would make a bit of a difference.

one thing to think about, is going with veg injection nozzles. they are a bit bigger to flow that thick stuff. otherwise it might throw your timing off by a little bit. i'm not sure who sells it though, just remember seeing it online.