feeler; thoughts on a G60 supercharger on TD engine ?

[jtanguay]

i think this type of setup should be geared towards N/A engines... since you don't need to worry about super hot exhausts melting everything...

[BlackTieTD]

i even balieve that putting the G60 on a diesel engine the supercharger will even last longer than being on a gas engine because of the lower RPM's that the diesel engine produces! so the longejevety seems to double in my opinion i think it will out perform a turbo! does anyone else agree with this ? thanks Duane

it is all relative to the size of pulley that is used on the charger. i believe stock they are 72mm IIRC and i've seen ones as small as 50mm IIRC. so yes, probably the charger life would be longer if you use a 72 but personally i would go with a smaller one on a diesel (i had a 65 or something like that on my G60 car).

  is there anyone else gong to be a pioneer and build one along with me?

thought about it for about 5 years now...one thing has remained the same, no time/$$$$ for this, or i'd be right with you.  :evil:

[blkboostedtruck]

well this set up has multable ways you can set it up ! it's the extra fuel that pruduces heat! so if you run a fuel inriched pump yes you will need all special heat resistance componants that was desined into the turbo motor but if you run this on an N/A engine  like an old B.A.E. turbo aftermarket set up with just a normal non fuel inrichment pump, they were only designed to push 6 or 7 P.S.I. it would work well that way also! as far as the ECO diesel motor i don't have any knowledge of what materials was used in that engine? somebody else will need to inlighten us on that i don't know ? i never owned one! i assume there would be no problem depends if you run an LDA and and it had heat resistance materials to handle the heat from the extra fuel from the LDA if you ran one on that engine if you didn't run one and just used the supercharger inplace of the turbo that would work just as well too! I think you can go wild to mild depending on the fuel inrichment you use! thanks Duane

[saurkraut]

Above all else, and most importantly, if you do this, you could, with out any mental reservation, install the KOMPRESSOR badge of the back of a supercharged Mercedes on your truck.

As a mater of fact, I'm afraid I'll have to insist that you put that badge on the back of your ride when you do this.

[BlackTieTD]

why give it away?! use a normal diesel badge and let the charger do the talkin  

[blkboostedtruck]

why give it away?! use a normal diesel badge and let the charger do the talkin  

 I agree with blacktieTD ! I'm an old school streetracer from calif. If you want to know what i got under the hood you gotta find out the hard way !!! makes for better conversation when you see it in action anyways! thanks Duane

[saurkraut]

Typically, with cars/trucks like ours, you have to exibit overt actions to instigate a stoplight drag race.

The KOMPRESSOR badge will invite alot of action.

And you have to admit KOMPRESSOR CADDY would look infinately cool.

PS the ECO motor has all the TD goodness with the wrong pump.  i have yet to see one wear out.  I suspect hozing down the pistons with oil from the bottom, and exess air with no extra fuel in the combustion chambers makes these thing outlast the body every time.

Formula: ECO motor + Kompressor @ 20 PSI + TD Pump = alot of good things.

[blkboostedtruck]

well i'm gonna really disagree with you on that because i have another caddy that displays = nitrious injected/turbo/stroker badges on the fenders and a N.O.S tank in the bed and no one in thier right mind challenges me to a race and i live here by hwy 100 here in milwaukee where all the kids hang out and they don't want nothing to do with racing my truck  they will do it for nothing but when i ask to put some funds up they chicken out! with badges and looking tricked out really intimidates them! now with my plane jane truck they are always provoking a race from me! and it just looks stock besides the rims so the sleeper look is the way to go if you want to wake somebody up with what you got under the hood! i also know ways to make the exaust to do the talking for me and i'm not talking about clamping a coffee can underneath it either ! i'm talking about making the exaust sound deep and throaty by building my own baffeling in the system. you would never guess it was a 4 cylinder by the way my other truck sounds ! sound more like a V8!
 and thats what i think! thanks Duane

[BlackTieTD]

speculating that you would use the waterpump pulley as an idler pulley and move the alternator below the charger in front of the waterpump.

not sure about clearance issues with the charger and the injection pump, i'm sure the rad makes it close. might get two or three inches from getting a shorter rad and putting it recessed in the rad support.

you can run two intakes on a G60 which is a huge plus. i'd try to fit two factory airboxes with factory filters. would breath better than a cone style filter but keep the particles out. a ported charger would pump a ton of air this way.

the outlet of the charger is already near the front of the car that helps for intercooling.

normal G60


16v G60

[RabbitJockey]

if i was doing it i would use one of those magna chargers that bolt on the back of the head in place of the intake manifold, this would make it super easy has nothing else would change, the only downside is that you can't run an intercooler.  but it would make for an easy install

[blkboostedtruck]

if i was doing it i would use one of those magna chargers that bolt on the back of the head in place of the intake manifold, this would make it super easy has nothing else would change, the only downside is that you can't run an intercooler.  but it would make for an easy install

 Do you know how many magna chargers are left in existance? I know of 3 maybe 4! those are more fore a collector! i would not want to use one for everyday use ! now that was the best dam forcedinduction equipment ever made in my opinion!! but i gotta settle for a G60 they are more plentyfull and parts are ore available! thanks Duane

[lord_verminaard]

doesnt sound crazy to me.

do you have a thread or page going for that Brendan?  

Nope.  It will be a while still.  I'll start tearing down the TDI engine here soon and get that part out of the way.  I still need a lot of stuff though, an 02J shifter, an INJECTION PUMP, turbo, supercharger, etc... and my money situation is not great right now.  I have a job prospect in the works though so hopefully that will speed up the process.  

There will be a thread, that's for sure.

It's going in my '81 Scirocco 'S that I recently bought, as it's much nicer than my '84.




Edit:  Well, I've tried 25 different times to post an image and apparently that doesent work anymore.....


Brendan
84 Scirocco 8v
81 Scirocco 'S w/ 3A & 4k
01 Jeep TJ 4.0
..And a TDI engine going in something...

[blkboostedtruck]

Hey blacktieTDI tell me about those pics. you posted ! Is that something you own? do you know where to get those aluminum pullys? crank, waterpump?I noticed in that picture that the surpintine belt interfears with the belt tensonier pivot bolt. i remember when i put that 1.8G60 motor in my other truck i had to do away with powersteering and A/C and had to make my own surpintine pully for the waterpump!that was tricky but made it and it works well! i was looking at the motor the other day and it looks like the brackets will bolt up directly on the block near the flywheel side with no problem. but will still need to modify for vacume pump return.the belt side i will not know till i have things apart and ready for mock-up and of course i will need to modify the core support just like i did before when i put the 1.8G60 motor in my other truck . the alternator will proably have to go on the bottom just like whats in the picture! and save  the traditional alternator spot for the injection pump! I got a feelin that the supercharger brackets will easily bolt right up with little or no modification!   also i have found that getting just the right size surpintine belt can be challenging! hard to find half sizes!I remember how odd i felt going to the part store with a surpintine belt pinched off with a pair of visegrips and telling the counter guy to don't ask me year and make !it almost takes an ack of god to get them to find a part without looking in the computer or books! well let me know about the pullys thanks Duane

[BlackTieTD]

that belt photo i found online. it is of a 16v with a G60 conversion. i believe it is bahn brenner's 16vG60 kit but that's just speculation. i agree that the belt routing would be similar on a diesel G60, just simpler.

that last pic is my old G60 charger opened up a tad  :lol: to motivate you!

[g-spec]

There is a guy on the vortex that sells a alternator from a GM and it fits very nicely in place of the ac compressor!! about the twin intakes on the g60....it has been proven that the charger itself is not capable of moving enuf air for the twim intakes to be worth it.