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February 26, 2007, 07:09:38 am

Mark

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79.5 mm pistons for Audi 5 TD IDI
« on: February 26, 2007, 07:09:38 am »
Looking for 79.5 mm turbo pistons for an Audi 5 TD buildup, using a turbo gasser block (79.5 mm bore x 86.4 mm stroke).
I've read of people sourcing these pistons for over-bored 1.6 engines.
Assuming this will also require larger headgasket.

Will a gasser headgasket work?
Any "Been There Done Thats"?
Best regards,
Mark

Reply #1February 27, 2007, 09:05:55 pm

rabbid79

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« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2007, 09:05:55 pm »
I have a 5 cyl. TD I'm considering rebuilding, and would like to know the same.  2.14 liters sure would be nice.  I think someone on here said there were steam holes between the cylinders that would keep from boring that big, but I don't know for sure.

I don't think the gasser head gasket would work because the diesel one has special areas that are reinforced for the precombustion chambers.  If you find a source on the pistons, and more information for over-boring, let me know.

Jeremy
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Parts for 2.0 TD build - Now looking for suitable car to put it in.

Reply #2February 28, 2007, 06:30:16 am

Mark

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 06:30:16 am »
This is not confirmed, but I believe that the 2.0 diesel block is just an underbored 2.1 gasser block.
The crank and rod dimentions are the same as the gasser.
I'm starting to get some feedback on piston sources, and will let you know on that.
So far, it 'sounds' like a headgasket from a 2.5 Eurovan would work, but until I can find the specs on that engine, its all theory.

Whats your experience with the 2.0 TD? Semi adequate power, or less?
The 5000 is a lot of weight to drag around..

On another note.. want to sell your TD?
Mark

Reply #3February 28, 2007, 07:28:01 am

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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2007, 07:28:01 am »
Probably easier to take a 2.0 NA and make it into a turbo, than to try finangling with gasser blocks to diesels. Seeing as how the latter is the root of the popular "350 diesel" story regarding the Olds 5.7 diesels that gave the engines such a horrible reputation.

Reply #4February 28, 2007, 09:21:48 pm

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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2007, 09:21:48 pm »
I had an '83 5000 TD once.  It actually had decent power.  Those cars only weigh around 3000 lbs, so 130 lb./ft. of torque moved it along pretty well.  As far as performance potential, there's no reason they shouldn't be capable of 150 HP and 250 lb./ft.  The engines themselves are damn heavy.  A lot more than 25% more than a 4-cyl.  I think they're very stout, and can handle that kind of torque.

These older 5-cyl TDs use mechanical lifters, so I'm not sure if the passages in the head gasket are compatible with the 2.5's.  Any info you have on the pistons, and whether or not these engines can be bored to that size would be appreciated.

I agree with turbinepowered.  Find a 2.0 N/A and convert it to TD.  In fact, they did make a few N/As with the 12mm head bolts.  You need one with a serial number of CN 066 382 or higher.  They may already have the TD heads on them.  I can get the part number for that too if you need.  The other thing you want is an old (e.g. 82'-'83) turbo-gas doner engine to pull the oil cooler/filter/turbo braket off of.  You can also get the oil piston squirters out of it and maybe the turbo too.  I assume the gas-turbo is bigger than the diesel-turbo, but that's probably ok if you intend to pump up the power anyway.

I tried to sell my engine on eBay a few times, but people didn't feel it was worth $1500.  Seems kind of crazy when you think about how many applications it has (e.g. Quattros, Eurovans, etc.).
'15 WRX
Parts for 2.0 TD build - Now looking for suitable car to put it in.

Reply #5March 01, 2007, 06:41:58 am

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 06:41:58 am »
Quote from: "rabbid79"

I agree with turbinepowered.  Find a 2.0 N/A and convert it to TD.  In fact, they did make a few N/As with the 12mm head bolts.  You need one with a serial number of CN 066 382 or higher.  They may already have the TD heads on them.  I can get the part number for that too if you need.  The other thing you want is an old (e.g. 82'-'83) turbo-gas doner engine to pull the oil cooler/filter/turbo braket off of.  You can also get the oil piston squirters out of it and maybe the turbo too.  I assume the gas-turbo is bigger than the diesel-turbo, but that's probably ok if you intend to pump up the power anyway.


*Goes to check the serial number on the one in the garage.* Damn, nope. Eeeeearly. CN 036 430