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Reply #165April 25, 2019, 06:20:21 am

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Re: mTDI / TDI-M Injection Pump FAQ
« Reply #165 on: April 25, 2019, 06:20:21 am »
i just wanted to add some pumps to the list of parts numbers worth searching for. most off them are euro cars though

0 460 424 138 vw LT 2.8 12mm
0 460 414 156 peugeot 2.5 tdi 11mm
0 460 424 164 Fiat Ducato 2.8 tdi 12mm
0 460 414 128 Fiat Ducato 2.5 tdi 11mm
0 460 414 193 Kia Carnival 2.9 tdi 11mm
0 460 414 191 Kia Carnival 2.9 tdi 11mm the one im curently using
0 460 414 099 Land Rover 300 tdi 11mm
0 460 414 098 Land Rover 200 tdi 11mm
0 460 414 054 Iveco Daily 2.5 DI 11mm

GL with the hunt

Reply #166June 11, 2019, 12:45:51 pm

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Re: mTDI / TDI-M Injection Pump FAQ
« Reply #166 on: June 11, 2019, 12:45:51 pm »
Hello.
I'm new. I'd like to build a mechanical pump. Unfortunately I don't know how a pump works.
I read the F.A.Q. and some post, some pictures are missing and some links are broken.
I can't explain and understand very well because the language.
Are there news regarding the best donor pump?
Used pumps to be rebuilt aren't  cheap at all so I'm not going to buy more than one.
It's an old project, I havent' got any diesel VW at the moment. Diesel cars aren't allowed to run everywhere because pollution,that's the main problem.
Generally used pumps are sold apart so I could find an used engine without the electronic pump to be used as donor or I could need a pump pulley for a mechanical one because the 20mm shaft.
What would be the best combo?
Thank you very much for your attention.
I think you've already seen those pumps documents.

dbwllc.net/app/uploads/2014/09/AAZ_Injection_Pump_Manual_Transmission.pdf

dbwllc.net/app/uploads/2014/09/Manual_Pump_Parts.pdf

dbwllc.net/app/uploads/2014/09/Automatic_Injection_pump_038_130_107_J.pdf

I thought that they could be useful to find a mechanical pump with the same camplate to fit on the engine but it wassn't so.
I found a catalogue too.

scribd.com/doc/93724322/BOSCH-CATALOGO-BOMBAS-VE-2009-2010

I'd like standard parts to fit without any working. I know,I asked too much and new Bosch spare parts can be very expensive.
I found thatt too, I don't understand what it is. I hope it can be useful anyway.

lambda-automotive.es/files/cursos/iny_diesel1/videos/calado.pdf

P.S. I've just discovered that external link aren't allowed. Sorry. Tell me if I must delete them.




Reply #167June 12, 2019, 01:52:03 pm

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Re: mTDI / TDI-M Injection Pump FAQ
« Reply #167 on: June 12, 2019, 01:52:03 pm »
Hello.
I'll try to share what I know about some injection pump.

Hi, where I live theres several vans and cars running factory m-tdi setup, Ive stripped a few and the di camplate seems very similar to the vw, can I use the gov and principle levers from one of these pumps instead of modding my own? They seem to be pre modified although I havent made a gabarit to check the principle lever travel heres a pic of the governor levers. All the factory m-tdi governor levers I've seen dont seem to use an intermediate spring in the assembly?
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Quote from: dts67

vw m-tdis ? you got more info on this .
 that governor lever on the left lookes like a transit di one
i have done my control lever in a difrant way , but serves the same movment to the control spool

@snakemaster- No, not vws, so far rover 2.0d and transit I've stripped but seen others. The lever is from a rover but the transits looks the same.
@hey- I'm near sure it is, I'll check tomorrow. I'm trying to get a di camplate working in an idi engine (1.9 psa xud), I've read nearly all your 'english' posts and know roughly what to do, you mentioned setting the break point of the injectors to match the camplate, thats no problem but do I then need pre-injection and 2 spring injectors? I've had the car running with an afn di camplate in the pump but the principle lever travel is to short and the engine is LOUD with injectors @175 bar :lol:

I looked for all those pumps but I wasn't very lucky.
You can find Ford Transit injection pumps but they aren't cheap. They're used to replace the lucas EPIC pumps.
I don't know what cars the other pumps are from.
I think Austin-Rover.
If I'm not wrong somebody fit a pump from a car by that brand.It takes to add a spacer to fit on a VW engine.
Probably the pump was from a Maestro-Montego.
There are other Rover DI engines made later but pumps are L and not R, they are from Rover SDI.
I know that engines are by Perkins, I don't what are the differences.
Industrial engine by Perkins are called Prima, probably is the same engine of Maestro-Montego .
Perkins marine engine are sold by Volvo as Penta.
Does anybody know if there a suitable pump and its Bosch number?
Does anybody know the L pumps performance and setting?
Can it be a good idea to use one as a donor pump?
What parts are suitable both for a L and R pump?
I think the body isn't suitable because timing advance is on the opposite side.
Waht else? the camplate?
The rest is universal or not?
Thank you very much.
P.S. If you look for a Kia Carnival on U.K. ebay you must look for Kia Sedona.
That's why I never found one. Somewhere that car is called Sedona.

Reply #168June 14, 2019, 01:28:12 pm

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Re: mTDI / TDI-M Injection Pump FAQ
« Reply #168 on: June 14, 2019, 01:28:12 pm »
Hello.
I've some question about mechanical pump for DI.
What about Ducato pumps? Have they got the right pump housing and shaft to fit on standart sprocket and pulley?

For those which have the possibility of it, there exists in Europe several pump ' ' specific DI' ' which is a direct swap, some witch the good alignment of pulley and rev over 4200rpm and this, in 10,11 and 12mm head plunger, ex: peugeot boxer 2.5TDI, fiat ducato 2.5 (some fiat use a TDI 1Z came plate with a 11mm head), Kia 2.9L DOHC, VW transporter 2.8 TDI, etc...... some of this pumps are not proper aligment pulley, there exist a different hub pulley for proper aligment,  that can avoid machinage.


I remember something about some "hybrid" or "Franken "pumps.
DI pumps are from turbo Sofim engines used on vans and light trucks like Fiat Ducato,Peugeot Boxer,Citroen Jumper,Renault Master-Mascotte,Iveco Daily.
Hydraulic heads have 11 and 12mm plungers.
NA engines are all IDI.
Sofim engines were used on cars too but they were all IDI engines even if turbos.
If I'm not wrong somewhere there's a thread about a "Franken" pump composed by a Fiat Croma or Lancia Thema(2.5 turbo IDI Sofim engines) pump and a kia one.
Why?
Because can't the Kia pump fit without using another pulley and some parts machining?
Croma and Thema 2.5 pump housing is right?
If I'm not wrong Sofim engines were used on spanish Santanas 4WD, a Land Rover under license, polish Lublins and russian Uaz too.
I don't know if they are CDI or they use electronic pumps, I think somewhere is told about a Uaz pump for M-TDI.I don't remeber the code but on a catalogue was a Daily pump.
I saw just one old ducato pump but it wasn't right for VW sprocket and pulley.
That's why I have many doubts.
Thank you all for yuor help.
I don't know if there's a VW factory mechanical pump.
I rember to have seen on an industrial engines catalogue TDIs with electronic pumps and a NA engine with a mechanical pump. It was written DI.
I tried to find that engine again. I think it was used on Sthil forklift but I have no other infos.
Maybe the brochure was wrong and it was an IDI engine.
That's alla I know.
Sorry if there can be errors.
There are hydraulic heads with 10mm plunger on IDI engine too, some Themas for exemple or some NA Ducatos.
Are those heads good for  DI pumps building too?

Sorry,I was wrong about factory mechanical pump.
There's an industrial egine,its code is SD 1.9 436MC,with a mechanical pump but the compression ratio is to high to be a DI engine,it's an IDI engine.
Somewhere N/A IDI engines are callaed SDI, I think that those catalogues are wrong.
I can't find old threads and posts about Prima engines pumps.
I found the ones where those pumps are used for parts and the one where it's said about the spacer to fit them on VW engines but no pictures or other details.
I remember that somewhere it's written about Perkins Prima pumps that use the same TDI camplates.
Some Prima pumps codes:
Mark    Type    Part number               Applications                                                 Engine    
bosch    VE    0460414029 VE R 228    Leyland Sherpa 200 46 kw Rover Maestro 2.0 D 46 kw         Perkins Prima 65 Perkins Prima 65
bosch    VE    0460414030 VE R 229    Rover M., Montego 2.0 TD 60 kw        Perkins Prima 80 T     
bosch    VE    0460414041 VE R 266    Perkins 500 37 kw        500 , 504 2 LR     
bosch    VE    0460414053 VE R 290    Perkins        PRIMA 4000 NA     
bosch    VE    0460414092 VE R 275/2    Perkins Prima GR 500 29 kw        Gemini TCI D.I.     
bosch    VE    0460414093 VE R 462    Land Rover Defender 2.5TD 83 kw        Perkins Prima 80 T
Are there 2,5 liters Prima engine too?
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Reply #169June 26, 2019, 06:12:07 pm

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Re: mTDI / TDI-M Injection Pump FAQ
« Reply #169 on: June 26, 2019, 06:12:07 pm »
Hello.
I decided to make a list with all TDI camplates but I haven't got the whole list of TDI injection pumps.
I'd like to use the list to find mechanical pumps with the same camplates.
We already know the camplate from the 11mm injection pump from automatic transmission cars.
0460414987    VE4/11E2075R712-2
That's the camplate: 2 466 110 143 or 2466110143 or DE143.
There are other eight pumps,I found the list at a shop on line,some pump diagrams are missing.
0460414989    VE4/11E2075R712-1
0460414990    VE4/11E2075R712
Those are electronic pumps,the next pumps are mechanical.
0460424219    VE4/12F1600R885 
I think it's froma a N/A engine.
Then the pumps with LDA.
0460424247    VE4/12F1800R918
0460424353    VE4/12F1800R918-1
0460424371    VE4/12F1800R918-2
The last two pumps are still to check because no diagrams avaiable.
0460424529    VE4/12F1150R1174
0460424533    VE4/12F1800R1182
Do you other 11mm pumps or different camplates?
We already know the cameplate saw in the diagram of the 0460404959    VE4/10E2075R700-1 pump.
2 466 110 110 or 2466110110 or DE110.
Other electronic pumps from SDI/TDI.
0460404961    VE4/10E2250R728-4
0460404964    VE4/10E2250R640-3
0460404966    VE4/10E2250R728
0460404977    VE4/10E2075R700
I read that there are many pumps with that camplate.
Do you know other TDI pumps?
I found two mechanical injection pumps with the same camplate.
0460414135 and 0460414165.
I found a TDI pump with a different camplate.
0460404971    VE4/10E2250R510-3
2 466 110 015 or 2466110015 or DE015.
I found two mechanical pump with tehe same camplate,they are from Sofim engines.
0460414091    VE4/11F1900R444
0460414110    VE4/11F1900R522-1
I saw an used pump from Audi 80TDI on sale,that's the code: 0460404995    VE4/10E2250R440-1
There is the same camplate.
I can't find pumps by part numbers unfortunately.
I read of another camplate from 10mm TDI pumps,DE056.
Who knows it?
2 466 110 056 or 2466110056?




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