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December 02, 2006, 07:22:41 am

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Just scored a new 1.9 IDI head.  I intend to put in on my 1.6 mech. block.

Anyone have a good solution for the extra oil return/coolant passage issue?

Also, as long as its brand new, I think I'll do the ceramic coating in the prechambers, head, and exhaust ports.  Any body had this done befor. and who did it?

Its going to be a winter project while my '79 hibernates.
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Reply #1December 02, 2006, 07:38:48 am

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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2006, 07:38:48 am »
just plug the extra hole and then it's basically a bolt on.  the aftermarket heads are designed to fit both mechanical and hydro engines, although it is a mechanical one, it has like a dummy extra oil drain with no hole in it.  just plug the oil drain then the head is basically bolt on just like a normal solid lifter head,
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Reply #2December 02, 2006, 07:39:14 am

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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2006, 07:39:14 am »
also, how does the 1.5td run compared to the 1.6td
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Reply #3December 02, 2006, 08:11:57 am

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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2006, 08:11:57 am »
The head is a NOS 1.9 head.

The extra oil drain hole is open.  i also want to run the metal HG.  I supose i'll go with BSP threaded plugs unles someone has a better suggestion.

just looking for someone that has done it successfully.

The 1.5 is still in work, its my winter rabbit.  just a month or so behind schedule.  Still collecting the turbo plumbing.  Manifolds and turbo are on.;  Airbox, turbodrain and what IP to use are the remaing issues.
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Reply #4December 02, 2006, 09:14:56 am

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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2006, 09:14:56 am »
For metal HG, you will have to block the second return hole from gasket also. I used 2mm rubber for it.

Reply #5December 02, 2006, 10:11:25 am

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« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2006, 10:11:25 am »
run the 1.5 pump, unless you want an lda, but the 1.5 pump will give me revs than a 1.6 pump, should help give it more ass, they are supposedly a little better.
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Reply #6December 02, 2006, 01:04:01 pm

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« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2006, 01:04:01 pm »
Yup, going to use a 1.5 pump.  I'd like to put the LDA top on the 1.5 pump, but I haven't gotten around to putting the two pumps side by side and see if it possible to swap the tops.

i emailed Giles but haven't heard back yet.  I guess he is really busy now.  If the tops aren't intercangeable, maybe some of the guts are intercangeable.

Probably have to do a rebuild as every used pump I've put on other diesels has leaked eventually.

I'm really interested to see the results.  I even saved a crank and rods from a 1.5 to put in my 1.6 if things work out.
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Reply #7December 02, 2006, 04:01:50 pm

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« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2006, 04:01:50 pm »
Maybe I am missing something but you can't mount a hydro head on a mechanical block, what is going to give the lifters pressure?

Reply #8December 02, 2006, 04:11:41 pm

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2006, 04:11:41 pm »
Quote from: "935racer"
Maybe I am missing something but you can't mount a hydro head on a mechanical block, what is going to give the lifters pressure?


Yeah now that you mention it I seem to recall reading that you can use a mech head on a hydro block but not vise-versa
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Reply #9December 02, 2006, 05:20:14 pm

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2006, 05:20:14 pm »
I know you can't, unless these reman heads come with mechanical cam followers, which I highly doubt they do, than its just like a factory head. Hydro heads only go on hydro blocks, Mechanical heads will fit on either.

Reply #10December 02, 2006, 07:55:12 pm

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« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2006, 07:55:12 pm »
he doesn't have aftermarket... but the aftermarket one i have will go on either.  i've read here several times that you can put a hydro head on a mechanical block but blocking the drain hole
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Reply #11December 02, 2006, 08:06:07 pm

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« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2006, 08:06:07 pm »
Quote from: Trev0rbr
he doesn't have aftermarket... but the aftermarket one i have will go on either.  i've read here several times that you can put a hydro head on a mechanical block but blocking the drain hole


How do the lifters get oil pressure and how does it drain back into the block?

Reply #12December 02, 2006, 08:19:39 pm

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« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2006, 08:19:39 pm »
Its a NOS bare head, guides only. I was planning on running solid lifters. Will they fit in the Hydro head?
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Reply #13December 02, 2006, 08:21:27 pm

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« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2006, 08:21:27 pm »
just so you know i am not arguing in any way or anything, but the drain holes are the same right. theres 3 of them 2 in the back and 1 in the front, then a hydro head has an extra one in the front, thats the one you plug right.  and wouldn't they just get oil through the normal passages?
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Reply #14December 03, 2006, 05:59:54 am

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« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2006, 05:59:54 am »
A lot of stuff flying around here.

Finish this statement:

"It is IMPOSSIBLE to put a hydro head on a mechanical block because....."
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