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February 19, 2014, 04:49:22 pm

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Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
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I'm probably going to be picking up a 1Y to drop into my b3 that currently has an mTDi. The reason is that I plan on putting the mTDi into a eurovan and probably selling off the passat. What was the stock HP on these motors?
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Reply #1February 19, 2014, 05:05:55 pm

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Re: Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 05:05:55 pm »
How much for the Passat sans engine?

Reply #2February 19, 2014, 05:36:20 pm

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Re: Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 05:36:20 pm »
The only problem is I would have no other way to get around wilst I did the swap. I do know someone who has a pretty decent b3 glx wagon without an engine needs a few little things here and there but was running/driving like a month ago.
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Reply #3February 19, 2014, 06:41:12 pm

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 06:41:12 pm »
10-4.

I can't say if the 1Y will be a dog to anyone else. I know what it's like to drive a Vanagon with a 1.9NA, and the b3 must be at least little more spunky.

I'm interest tho. I got too many projects to do my b3 swap.

Reply #4February 19, 2014, 06:43:03 pm

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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 06:43:03 pm »
PS.

My swap also needs auto->5spd swap. If the b3 glider is 5spd, I might take a look.

Reply #5February 19, 2014, 07:48:58 pm

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2014, 07:48:58 pm »
it is a 5 speed. pm the gimpster
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Reply #6February 20, 2014, 01:28:09 am

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Re: Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2014, 01:28:09 am »
Also would the 3.15 Ring and pinion be to tall for such and engine? What if a turbo came into play how would that wake it up enough to use a 3.15? My options are either that or a 3.67 from my old 16v and a fifth gear swap.
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Reply #7February 20, 2014, 10:20:08 am

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« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2014, 10:20:08 am »
With good exhaust, intake and pump/timing/injectors a NA 1.9 is knocking on stock 1.6TD power.
It's delivery isn't the same, and not many folks have a truly stock 1.6TD since they are still slow.
But it's a point of reference.  Make sure the alignment is good and the brakes don't drag, and avoid hills. :)
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Reply #8February 20, 2014, 10:51:00 am

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« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2014, 10:51:00 am »
With good exhaust, intake and pump/timing/injectors a NA 1.9 is knocking on stock 1.6TD power.
It's delivery isn't the same, and not many folks have a truly stock 1.6TD since they are still slow.
But it's a point of reference.  Make sure the alignment is good and the brakes don't drag, and avoid hills. :)

I do have a 2.5" exhaust on the car already.  ;D Kentuckiana can be hilly at times.

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Reply #9February 20, 2014, 12:19:09 pm

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« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2014, 12:19:09 pm »
I suspect a NA 1.9, be it AAZ or 1Y, could really benefit from a tuned pump.
It's beyond my skill level and I'm not likely to spend a grand on a pump for one of those things, but
I have a strong suspicion there is a fair bit of power in there, for NA.
I'm a fan of NA simplicity, longevity and power delivery myself.
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Reply #10February 20, 2014, 01:27:33 pm

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2014, 01:27:33 pm »
That's what I had in my Transporter[vanagon], which weighs alot more than a B3.Of course it had a Giles pump and big intake and exhaust, but they also had them in Europe for years
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Reply #11February 21, 2014, 05:24:46 am

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Re: Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
« Reply #11 on: February 21, 2014, 05:24:46 am »
I'm probably going to be picking up a 1Y to drop into my b3 that currently has an mTDi. The reason is that I plan on putting the mTDi into a eurovan and probably selling off the passat. What was the stock HP on these motors?

I've had several stock AAZ B3/4s.  The Passats received an ecopump-like set up with their IPs.  Their performance, stock, was merely adequate.  With a NA 1.9L, and in hilly territory,  I'm not sure I'd bother.  Why not fit a k03 from an early tdi?  Easy to source and the car will perform a better.  Hell, it might make more sense to just retrofit a 1.6 TD into the car instead of the 1Y.  The turbo will be a bit laggy but once it comes one it'll perform similar to the AAZ.

FWIW:  When tuned, the AAZ is no slouch. 

Reply #12February 21, 2014, 05:44:07 am

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Re: Will a stock 1y push a b3 wagon?
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2014, 05:44:07 am »
I will most likely transfer the k14 from an aaz I have on my mTDi and save my change for a Holset he211w when I put that engine into the van.
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