NOS systems

[Smokey Eddy]

There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion.  The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean.  A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser.  Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs).  NOS adds air

If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas.  The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors.  Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using.  When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.

Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.

[dieseljunkie69]

There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion.  The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean.  A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser.  Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs).  NOS adds air

If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas.  The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors.  Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using.  When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.

Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.

I agree, even a dry shot on a DI engine with monster injectors and a (minimum of) 11mm pump would be tits. I have seen m-tdi's with 11mm's blow extreme clouds of black with stock injectors. Add the NOS and off to the races you go, got a build thread going on this beast Smoke?

[RabbitJockey]

There's not really any point in doing wet nitrous on a diesel in my opinion.  The whole reason gassers do it is because the blow up if they get too lean.  A giant nitrous shot without the fuel to use it will destroy a gasser.  Diesels on the other hand don't mind running lean, what they don't like is running rich (EGTs).  NOS adds air

If you really wanted to add fuel when you add nitrous you could use propane or natural gas.  The IDI engines don't like it (they'll blow their precups) but it is a pretty common thing to do on DI motors.  Propane / Methane (NG) won't ignite on their own in a diesel, at least in the mix ratios you'd be using.  When the diesel is injected and lights off it burns the propane/methane, so that is how timing is accomplished.

Guys, he explains this very well here. The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.
I also think that a dry shot would be extremely beneficial and for the most part pretty cheap on any slightly fueled up IDI.
My aaz blew huge ploooms of black soot out of two 2.5 inch exhaust pipes... and it was already extremely fast on 28 psi. if you know how to turn the pumps up properly and change throttle position and everything you can really crank those things. a dry shot on my jetta would have been pretty awesome.

I agree, even a dry shot on a DI engine with monster injectors and a (minimum of) 11mm pump would be tits. I have seen m-tdi's with 11mm's blow extreme clouds of black with stock injectors. Add the NOS and off to the races you go, got a build thread going on this beast Smoke?

i remember seeing a dyno of a tdi that was using nitrous, it had power well above 5k.  it must be a nice way to make up for a poor flowing head

[R.O.R-2.0]

propane w/N20? So essentially a wet shot?? As you would be injecting propane with the NOS and ingesting through the intake??

propane is a gas, no?

how is a gas wet?

nos is a gas, its not wet.. neither is propane.

[dieseljunkie69]

WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake

[R.O.R-2.0]

WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake

you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..

if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...

[745 turbogreasel]

only if you give it enough to exceed 5000 RPM or so, otherwise it idles or high idles.

[dieseljunkie69]

WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake

you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..

if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...

Did you read the replies in this thread? Or are you just throwing out uneducated BLARGGHSS again?

The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.

[R.O.R-2.0]

WET as in a WET NOS. AS IN fuel in to the intake

you CAN NOT inject fuel into the intake on a diesel..

if there is fuel in the intake air, the engine runs away...

Did you read the replies in this thread? Or are you just throwing out uneducated BLARGGHSS again?

The LNG or LPG isn't liquid in the intake they are gas. especially in a hot engine. but the energy induced in the gases is not enough to reach the flash point of those compounds on their own.
Diesel however is a liquid and we know that liquids dont compress. therefore we have this great amount of compression and the explosion happens. So you can add fuel in the intake like a wet shot.

propane and LNG are not wet..

you CAN NOT shoot wet fuel into the intake of a diesel, like you would on a gasser..

if you dont believe me, go give your diesel engine a big ol' shot of diesel/nos to the intake, and see how big the dent in your hood is after wards..

[dieseljunkie69]

propane and LNG are not wet..

So what is the problem??

[R.O.R-2.0]

propane and LNG are not wet..

So what is the problem??

generally, people dont use propane or LNG as the WET in a wet nitrous setup..

all im saying, is that if you shoot diesel, gasoline, oil of any type into the intake of a diesel, bad things will happen..

if you would have read this whole thing, i already commented a LONG TIME AGO, that a GAS should be able to be used as a fuel along with nitrous, but that was probably too much reading for your dumb ass..

[R.O.R-2.0]

cant run a wet shot on a diesel..

you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.

a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..

only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..

but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..

there, if you would have read this post first, you might not have jumped down my throat, and made yourself look like an idiot..

[dieseljunkie69]

cant run a wet shot on a diesel..

you CAN NOT inject wet fuel into your intake.

a diesel REQUIRES a dry shot of nos, and be overfueled, otherwise it wont even make use of the nos..

only thing i could think of to run as a fuel, thru a nos system, is to plumb a tank of propane/lng into the fuel side of the nos..

but i think that even that would be a bit tricky.. its just NOT a good idea to run a wet shot on a diesel, because it will basically be a controlled run away if you introduce fuel to the intake air..

« Last Edit: Today at 11:16:34 PM by R.O.R-2.0 »

there, if you would have read this post first, you might not have jumped down my throat, and made yourself look like an idiot..

Yeah...... you edited that post today.. at the same time of making this post I am replying too.. I recall that information not being in the original post.. I know you cannot inject a liquid in to a diesels intake.

Jumping down your throat? Just pointing out when someone was misinformed, you seem to do it in damn near every post Whats the catch when I do it? Cuz I ain't got 9000 posts? Big whoop.

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You still mad about this?? Trololol, I am kiddding. Jesus lighten the hell up tight-ass.

R.O.R-2.0: you make yourself look like uneducated with your some of your comments. Have you ever compared a wastegate turbine housing vs. VNT?

Best siht to date...

[vanbcguy]

Keep it cool guys - there's nothing being added to the discussion at this point. 

[dieseljunkie69]

Keep it cool guys - there's nothing being added to the discussion at this point. 

For real man, I am new here.. Great atmosphere otherwise