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February 03, 2013, 05:31:21 pm

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So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« on: February 03, 2013, 05:31:21 pm »
Hey guys! I'm always told to search here for information. Just fugred out how to register..

Anyways I've tried searching and the threads usually end like this "I will get in cotact with someone tomorrow *yada yada* " and then no follow up..

Here is what I'm doing:
1.9 AAZ turbo diesel.
I have the stock k14 but thinking of upgrading
I sent my head to Frank Irving to get machined and fixed from an unfortunate failure.
So I got a few new valves, new seals, Stage 2 cam, I think an ALH lifter set?
Haven't done anything to the bottom end.. But I've been told to upgrade to ARP hardware. Where can I get those? All searches come up with 1.6 stuff or a dead end talking about how the 1.6 ones wont work.

For right now I plan on running just enough boost to not need a FMIC.. Later on I will So I'm guessing keep the k14 for now.

I plan on sending my pump to 8v-of-fury, to get him to "tweak" it with the governor mod/reseal/ and 1.6td boost pin.

With the tweekend pump, a k26 would be too big, but a vnt15 is good. Now I read of a hybrid k24/k26 turbo. What are the benefits of that..

At the end of the day, I want some power.. but I want a lot of fuel economy. I dont plan to beat on it all the time, just every now and then, you know, more when it's first finished then when it gets old I'll calm down lol.

Reply #1February 03, 2013, 05:46:48 pm

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Re: So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2013, 05:46:48 pm »
ill buy that k14 if you want to sell it.
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Reply #2February 03, 2013, 05:54:31 pm

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« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 05:54:31 pm »
I figured it would be an easy sell... But I need to figure out what I'm doing first.. I do need to sell this 12mm mechanical head I have.. that would help pay 8v-of-fury to rebuild my pump.

Reply #3February 03, 2013, 06:08:33 pm

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Re: So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2013, 06:08:33 pm »
glad you made it over... ever since poortex banned me saying i racuist not been able to post overthere...

think ive thought of new name for there..

FkN w/my i hole

if you not seen django yet.. it will make no sence.. if you have.. id be suprised if it not taken...

but i was following old build.. that swapped to caddy.. sadly i have little aaz info... crazy andy mike been building one (aaz).. he is who id ask.. then theman (aaz into tdi-m w/ahu pieces).. hope they reply to this post...

went to cali in my kubvan.. towed home one of these..



too bad i see no funds to make sowo this year.. ive overspent way too much.. cali trip has crippled me.. screwed up economy making hard rebound..

one day we will get together.. i still rember the invite to crash at the pool house.. :D one day..

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Reply #4February 03, 2013, 06:35:52 pm

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Re: So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2013, 06:35:52 pm »
http://www.vwdiesel.net/forum/index.php?topic=32389.0

Best I have currently. The problem with the AAZ and later diesels is that no one is making a con rod bolt or stud that I have found. Apparently the stock are fine for the big HP ALH so run it.

As far as turbo, what is the budget? If the sky is the limit talk to Trevorb as he has maps for anything and everything. The Finish guys have found a great cheap turbo in Switzer --could be incorrect spelling-- I would do the T3 from VW if you aren't going to do anything crazy it will still make good power.

Reply #5February 03, 2013, 07:01:25 pm

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2013, 07:01:25 pm »
Cool thanks. My goal is 200whp. I opened my mouth saying it was possible and got shut down by this dumb ass in town.

The guy is part owner of a shop in town. He is a total dough, and if its not what he likes its stupid. Tells me an AAZ swap is stupid because the car was already a diesel. He asks what is so impressive about a diesel swapped into a diesel, an that I should VR swap it. He is a dumb ass. Anyways he says that I will not see high numbers. And he is baffled at how a diesel could be as fast as a 1.8t..

Like I said a dumb ass. So I want to get the numbers on paper and throw them in his face. :) after that I'm happy with getting as much fuel mileage as possible.

What turbo is LOUD. I love playing with the sounds on the hwy. I don't listen to music if there is a turbo spoolin.

Drove my buddies 05 excursion that has mods out the ringer and it sounds like a jet. Lol loved it!

Reply #6February 03, 2013, 07:05:32 pm

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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2013, 07:05:32 pm »
I will add that I drove to h2o and back on the k14, it seemed like it was spooled all the time. Only hearing it when I let off at hwy speeds.

I had a k24 on my 1.6 and on the hwy cruising I could make it spool by giving it more throttle.

Reply #7February 03, 2013, 07:56:42 pm

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Re: So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2013, 07:56:42 pm »
I would think 200 would need a GT2359 or similar to flow. Also intercooled will be manditory. Check out Dave Cross or 935 Racers build from leftovers of Malones engine IIRC. He made an honest 195WHP so it is possible but you need a turbo that will do it. Compounds would be an option too. The Alcaid guy is the one with the turbos I know not much about.

Reply #8February 03, 2013, 07:59:03 pm

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« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2013, 07:59:03 pm »
I figured 200 is not possible until I run a fmic, and giles pump.. you think 150 is too much to ask out of this little k14?

Reply #9February 03, 2013, 08:01:57 pm

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Re: So I'm building this AAZ.. Need some direction..
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2013, 08:01:57 pm »
Me personally, yes, I think 150 is too much for that turbo. Trevorb would have to chime in, but I would guess my K24 didn't make much more. I would say 160-170hp tops from a K24 with a huge IC and I had a ported head and Giles pump. I would say after holding a K14 in my hand that it would top at 130 or less. I am just guessing.

Reply #10February 04, 2013, 08:46:46 am

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« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2013, 08:46:46 am »
Me personally, yes, I think 150 is too much for that turbo. Trevorb would have to chime in, but I would guess my K24 didn't make much more. I would say 160-170hp tops from a K24 with a huge IC and I had a ported head and Giles pump. I would say after holding a K14 in my hand that it would top at 130 or less. I am just guessing.

i would agree with lucas on everything.  make sure you have a good intake manifold and a good intercooler.  theres alot of turbos that will get 200whp on an aaz, i think the best value is the turbo which Alcaid is a fan of which is the holset he221w,  its cheap, has an antisurge housing, billet compressor wheel, and a 360* thrust bearing so its tough.
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Reply #11February 04, 2013, 09:23:42 am

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« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2013, 09:23:42 am »
How cheap is cheap? And will it work with the k14 mani?

Any links to where I can buy? Perfer USA dealer..

Reply #12February 04, 2013, 01:10:55 pm

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2013, 01:10:55 pm »
How cheap is cheap? And will it work with the k14 mani?

Any links to where I can buy? Perfer USA dealer..

from a usa distributor it won't be cheap.  alcaid recommended alibaba.com but to research the distributor and make sure it has good reviews and sells the genuine product.  This way you will get a genuine turbo directly from the holset manufacturer in china.  he told me 5-600 usd for these.  a comparable garrett turbo would be double that.
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Reply #13February 04, 2013, 03:53:15 pm

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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2013, 03:53:15 pm »
AND WHY THE HELL HAVE I NOT SAID HELLO TO A FELLOW VIRGINIAN YET?!?

Hey, I;m the 'Crazy Andy' *mike* CRSMP5 mentioned, and I am building an AAZ to put in a MK1 right now also.  Thought I'd verify some things:

1. The OEM turbos you are looking for are either the K24 or the VW 1.6TD-spec T3.  Both fit the stock 1.6TD exhaust manifold.  The best of the two is the T3, since EGTs don't rise nearly as heavily as the K24, which will see EGTs rise as quickly as the boost (but still be manageable if you have a good IC).  Another good thing about the T3 is you can swap it's stock 35 trim housing for a more efficient 40/45 trim housing off of a volvo 700 series T3 (don't remember which year or engine right now off the top of my head, and I don't know if Trev0rbr will either). However if you wanna go large out of the box, then get that Holsett;  It will be on my list if I ever go mTDI.

2.  I elected to go with Raceware main and head studs, which are really no different from ARP onther than they were a little less pricey at the time of purchase.  As far as the rod bolts, the OEM stretch bolts hold up well, and everybody else is right in saying there aren't any aftermarket alternatives.  
  However, considering your goal of 200 HP, you should probably consider a bearing girdle (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54s_jyjMUxY).  This will keep your mains from dancing around under full power.

3.  Frank Irving of "Frank's TDI"?  Good call, sir; you've done a lot of research!  Will you be doing any porting yourself?  I take the crank sprocket walked and you experienced piston to valve contact, but Frank can fix that easily.

4.  You probably already know it, but CHECK YOUR CRANK NOSE AND GET IT D CUT!  I WILL SMACK A B!

5.  Another thing on running a lot of HP in a diesel is that you get a LOT of torque, far too much for an 020.  Seek out an 02A/02J like I did, and run the corresponding flywheel.  Don't get a lightened FW, since diesels use the 'wheel as a idle dampening device.  Your car will shake itself apart on a lightened flywheel, and you're in a MK1 (as am I) so that'll make your dash fall off in a week. :)

6. Find somebody local to do your exhaust, and don't buy something from TT; too much money for what some welding friend could do with tubing and turbo flange for a DP, with your Friendly Local Muffler ShopTM taking care of the rest.  I suggest a Thrush Turbo muffler at least; step-brother has one on his turbo'ed car-that-rhymes-with-Fonda and sounds nice and mellow.

7.  Have you given thought to a higher-flowing intake?  I'm gonna fun a PD150 manifold myself.  I know it's not the most ideal, but the larger plenum and intake ID is better than the stock AAZ mani log.  Search around the side, there's a lot of customized manifolds folks run, from 1Y srolls to gassers to full custom welded; look at intercoolers right now so you can know what you want to go with when you really hop it up later.  200 HP is not gonna flow through the stock manifold, no sir.

8.  AT LEAST 90% of what Theman53, Trev0rbr, 8v-of-fury, and CRSMP5 say is right.  The other 9% you fact check only to find out they are still right.  ;D  Ribbing aside, take advice from what folks say around here, because a lot of folks here have been doing this for a loooong time.  This isn't the Vortex, where BS, drama, and nut-swinging is the name of the game; here we try to talk facts.  But with a good proper amount of humor too.  Hell, you should see the General section. ;)


If you find yourself in central VA around UVA/C,ville shout out w/ a PM.  Hell, just shoot me a PM!  You're only the THIRD Virginian here, and it's lonely without any locals.  If you need any parts or info help on fairly recent stuff, I'm a VW tech, so I have access to those kind of things.  I've also bookmarked alot of the parts I've bought to help me put the 02A in the MK1, so I can give you an entire laundry list for certain things.  Again, talking facts.  I've gotten soo much info from this site, and I can't wait to give some back.

Hope to see the project soon!

P.S.: Make an intro post in the Ride Wall forum,  I wanna see the car.  The Avatar pic is just too teasing!!
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Reply #14February 04, 2013, 08:05:22 pm

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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2013, 08:05:22 pm »
Well hello there!

Where to start..

I bought my AAZ after rebuilding a 1.6td and somehow had no oil pressure and ruined the bottom end.

I put the AAZ in my rabbit right before h2o in September. Somehow two lifters it stuck in the head and ruined my cam. I sent it to Frank Irving because a buddy told me to. Frank has taken forever! But it's ok I haven't been ready for it.

I plan on a custom welded/machined intake, I have a buddy that is a welder/machinist at NASA nearby.

I already have an 02j out of a 04 TDi. Can't wait. My main reason for this.. Was I despise the stupid linkages..

I will most likely run stock turbo/intake until I can fund it all at once.

I spent $350 at big Al's having them put 2.5" system on it. Gotta say not a bad job except for the na diesel downpipe.

This was when I first bought my caddy and planned on keeping the 1.6 in it and dailying it while I built the rabbit.

Anyways, month ago a caddy pops up for sale.. I jumped on it sold the rabbit and kept all the good stuff for the truck.

I have a build thread in vortex. Been slow lately.. I will post up a thread.