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Reply #30November 15, 2012, 01:27:39 pm

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Re: Rabbit pump vs Eco pump
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2012, 01:27:39 pm »
i would love to put a vnt on my engine, but i still havent been able to find an effective way of controlling the vanes. and i really dont want to use a standalone unit, if i wanted the turbo (or anything) computer controlled on the car i would rather start sourcing a tdi swap. id like to stay wastegated. Ive still got some reading to do on turbo maps and efficiency which is why ive been concerning myself with the fuel side for now. but i hope to find a turbo that will spool quick enough to give me power more towards the low end, but wont leave a cloud of black smoke behind me until WOT.

Reply #31November 15, 2012, 02:20:49 pm

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2012, 02:20:49 pm »
jboogie13, when are you getting the injection pumps? Take lot's of pics when you do the parts swap.

Reply #32November 15, 2012, 02:48:02 pm

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2012, 02:48:02 pm »
jboogie13, when are you getting the injection pumps? Take lot's of pics when you do the parts swap.


n/a pump is in the mail, and currently waiting on flowmastergfunk to ship the pug pump, will definitely make a build thread for the pump as i will surely have many questions

Reply #33November 15, 2012, 03:56:17 pm

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2012, 03:56:17 pm »
i would love to put a vnt on my engine, but i still havent been able to find an effective way of controlling the vanes.

My mechanical controls work excellently.

Reply #34November 15, 2012, 04:05:31 pm

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2012, 04:05:31 pm »
jboogie13, when are you getting the injection pumps? Take lot's of pics when you do the parts swap.

n/a pump is in the mail, and currently waiting on flowmastergfunk to ship the pug pump, will definitely make a build thread for the pump as i will surely have many questions


Nothing at all different with the pug innards. I have one open on my bench right now. Identical innards. Do not use the pug cam plate, it has a smaller lift than the 1.6 one.

Reply #35November 15, 2012, 04:25:12 pm

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2012, 04:25:12 pm »
jboogie13, when are you getting the injection pumps? Take lot's of pics when you do the parts swap.

n/a pump is in the mail, and currently waiting on flowmastergfunk to ship the pug pump, will definitely make a build thread for the pump as i will surely have many questions


Nothing at all different with the pug innards. I have one open on my bench right now. Identical innards. Do not use the pug cam plate, it has a smaller lift than the 1.6 one.

What's the Bosch p/n of your Pug pump?

Reply #36November 15, 2012, 04:27:10 pm

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Reply #37November 15, 2012, 04:53:52 pm

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I have 4 Pug pumps, all 10 mm except one 9 mm but different p/n than yours.

Can you post a pic of the fuel limiter pin out of the side of the pump, the one needing removal from the NA pump?

Reply #38November 15, 2012, 06:01:09 pm

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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2012, 06:01:09 pm »
i would love to put a vnt on my engine, but i still havent been able to find an effective way of controlling the vanes.

My mechanical controls work excellently.

i will have to look your controls up then, but does it actuate the vanes dependant of  manifold pressure? or just as a wastegate and the vanes are either full open or full close (if that makes sense)

Reply #39November 15, 2012, 06:38:24 pm

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2012, 06:38:24 pm »
Libby's setup adjusts the vanes based on both manifold pressure and throttle position; i.e., the proper way  ;)
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Reply #40November 15, 2012, 06:40:32 pm

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2012, 06:40:32 pm »
Libby's setup adjusts the vanes based on both manifold pressure and throttle position; i.e., the proper way  ;)

and this is all done mechanically (no computer or standalone control?)

is there a build thread for this setup? if so a ink would be highly appreciated ???

Reply #41November 15, 2012, 06:57:23 pm

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2012, 06:57:23 pm »
Libby's setup adjusts the vanes based on both manifold pressure and throttle position; i.e., the proper way  ;)

and this is all done mechanically (no computer or standalone control?)

is there a build thread for this setup? if so a ink would be highly appreciated ???

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-performance-tuning/304603-mechanical-vnt-control.html
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Reply #42November 15, 2012, 07:01:57 pm

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2012, 07:01:57 pm »
I like my vanagon version better than the mercedes one.

http://www.vwdieselparts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=11042

I have one more design update that I haven't yet built.  I've also been considering doing a standalone electronic version on a different vehicle (ALH in automatic vanagon). 

Reply #43November 15, 2012, 07:03:46 pm

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2012, 07:03:46 pm »
Can you post a pic of the fuel limiter pin out of the side of the pump, the one needing removal from the NA pump?

Certainly.


Reply #44November 15, 2012, 07:14:26 pm

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2012, 07:14:26 pm »
I like my vanagon version better than the mercedes one.

http://www.vwdieselparts.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=11042

I have one more design update that I haven't yet built.  I've also been considering doing a standalone electronic version on a different vehicle (ALH in automatic vanagon). 

How long did it take you design this system?
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