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October 30, 2012, 01:44:06 pm

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Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« on: October 30, 2012, 01:44:06 pm »
Do you guys think this actuator would work for the boost limiter in a vane control linkage setup like libbybapa's?

http://www.treadstoneperformance.com/product.phtml?p=769&cat_key=660&prodname=Wastegate+Actuator%2C+18psi

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Reply #1October 30, 2012, 01:45:44 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2012, 01:45:44 pm »
what turbo you running it on?

you gonna be running it by its self, or with the linkages?
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Reply #2October 30, 2012, 01:59:45 pm

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« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2012, 01:59:45 pm »
Sorry yeah, VNT17 with linkages.
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Reply #3October 30, 2012, 02:10:50 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2012, 02:10:50 pm »
I ended up buying one like that, thinking like you did.  Those controller are made for a valve type wastegate NOT vane control.  They don't have enough movement for vane control.  I have a new vacuum can at home I got with the 17 I bought, I think I still have it - I'd be will to sell it cheap, but you'd need to change it to a boost type controller.
99' 1.9 1Z Tdi, hybrid pump -1.9 housing & rover internals, 2052 wastegate turbo,.25 hflox nozzles, SDI intake, CTN tranny
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Reply #4October 30, 2012, 05:25:27 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2012, 05:25:27 pm »
I ended up buying one like that, thinking like you did.  Those controller are made for a valve type wastegate NOT vane control.  They don't have enough movement for vane control.  I have a new vacuum can at home I got with the 17 I bought, I think I still have it - I'd be will to sell it cheap, but you'd need to change it to a boost type controller.

how do they not have enough movement for vane control? they have a larger range of motion than the vane lever has..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #5October 30, 2012, 05:56:06 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2012, 05:56:06 pm »
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how do they not have enough movement for vane control? they have a larger range of motion than the vane lever has..

Thats what I was thinking too, the vane lever doesnt move very far.
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Reply #6October 30, 2012, 06:25:01 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2012, 06:25:01 pm »
IMO, that would work well.  In the mechanical vane controls I've built there has been a transition lever.  You can make the lengths of the arms on that transition lever appropriately sized so that the range of motion of the vane lever matches the range of motion of the boost can. 

Reply #7October 31, 2012, 09:31:04 am

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 09:31:04 am »
IMO, that would work well.  In the mechanical vane controls I've built there has been a transition lever.  You can make the lengths of the arms on that transition lever appropriately sized so that the range of motion of the vane lever matches the range of motion of the boost can. 

thats exactly what i was getting at..

you make one arm have a variable length..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #8October 31, 2012, 02:07:49 pm

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« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 02:07:49 pm »
The one I had only had roughly .050 movement.  you'd have to increase that as the vane control moves much more than that.  No biggy - I just think it's much easier to use what it came with, as far as ever needing replacement as well.
99' 1.9 1Z Tdi, hybrid pump -1.9 housing & rover internals, 2052 wastegate turbo,.25 hflox nozzles, SDI intake, CTN tranny
96' 1.6 TD Golf, Giles pump, VNT 17, Gas changed to Diesel, Air to Water Int.

Reply #9October 31, 2012, 02:20:03 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 02:20:03 pm »
The one I had only had roughly .050 movement.  you'd have to increase that as the vane control moves much more than that.  No biggy - I just think it's much easier to use what it came with, as far as ever needing replacement as well.

.050" movement?!

no way, it was broken..

all my wastegate cans move like 1-1.5" if nothing is connected to them..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #10October 31, 2012, 08:05:59 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 08:05:59 pm »
I think ill get one and try it out.
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Reply #11November 02, 2012, 10:26:06 am

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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2012, 10:26:06 am »
Ended up ordering this guy. A little more expensive but comes with different springs to adjust opening pressure.

http://shopping.kinugawaturbo.com/kinugawabilletadjustableturboactuatorfitkinugawaturbotd05htd06sl2twinscroll518zhousing.aspx

We'll see how it works. Gotta figure out how to make all the linkages and brackets and what not now.
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Reply #12November 02, 2012, 11:03:27 am

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2012, 11:03:27 am »
OMG! THANK YOU!!!

a gift from the gods.. just what i needed!
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #13November 02, 2012, 11:48:27 am

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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2012, 11:48:27 am »
Looks like a very nice unit.  Thanks for the link.

Reply #14November 02, 2012, 01:16:12 pm

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Re: Wastegate Actuator for manual vane control
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2012, 01:16:12 pm »
OMG! THANK YOU!!!

a gift from the gods.. just what i needed!

Looks like a very nice unit.  Thanks for the link.

You're welcome!
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