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Reply #285March 18, 2014, 06:13:28 am

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Re: Building AAZ motor
« Reply #285 on: March 18, 2014, 06:13:28 am »
Pat on the back - your patience and determination is showing ;)
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Reply #286March 30, 2014, 09:03:59 pm

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« Reply #286 on: March 30, 2014, 09:03:59 pm »
Is it alive?     ::)

Reply #287April 12, 2014, 05:47:07 pm

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« Reply #287 on: April 12, 2014, 05:47:07 pm »
No but got some work done.  Got the coolant hard line in, and all the coolant lines aside from the radiator hoses are installed and clamped down.  Also hooked up the wires on the trans side of the head, as well as the throttle and choke cables.  Did some mocking up for the oil and intercooler coolers and the new radiator location.  Got the front engine mount installed.   Bought and installed an air filter to top it all off.
Here's where the issues start.  The intercooler pipe is taller than the hood if I route it over the valve cover.  The CRX clutch cable I bought didn't work, but it was aftermarket.  I need 20 mm longer starter bolts.  I need to bump the passenger frame rail out a bit for the serpentine belt tensioner, or shift the engine over to the driver side some more.  I also may need to shim the front mount cup out a bit since the sides of the mount rubber contact the cup but not the base (Is that how it's supposed to be?  IDK).  I need to trim the aftermarket rear trans mount bracket because the shift linkage is hitting it and not being able to go into 2/4 area because of it.  I need to shorten the upper rad hose in the middle a bit to avoid extreme bending.  I need to get the new electrical circuit supplies for the gauges and pumps.  I need to fab a slim radiator fan cover and install an aftermarket slimline fan since the original motor is now about where the oil filter is.  I need to get high pressure oil resistant hose to plumb the cooler in, and maybe get a shorter smaller oil filter. I need to get another coolant reservoir, as the old one has more oil residue in it than I thought.
Tomorrow I'll install the accessory bracket, plug in the last of the stock wiring, drill holes in the rad support for the rad/cooler mountings, get bend fittings for the coolers and install them, wire the ground strap in somehow, modify the rear mount bracket, and other things I'm sure I'm forgetting.  I'm very tired so I'm going to stop typing now.
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Reply #288April 12, 2014, 06:01:02 pm

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« Reply #288 on: April 12, 2014, 06:01:02 pm »
can you take a big picture, picture? I may have a possible solution if I could see the rest of your bay.

Reply #289April 12, 2014, 07:47:27 pm

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« Reply #289 on: April 12, 2014, 07:47:27 pm »
Sure, what angle?


Reply #290April 13, 2014, 11:52:46 am

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« Reply #290 on: April 13, 2014, 11:52:46 am »
The problem with the metal pipes is heat soak, I made custom silicone intakes for the 1.8 t installation for stepansautohaus.com
huge assys for the vanagon conversion

GermanMotorwerks saw my work and I made there intake and coolant hoses also

I would like to see somebody here use a off the shelf intercooler and pd intake and mock it up and let me make a complete silicone intake system.
I would do 3' oblong to 2.25 at the ends with 2.25 round to insert the joiner

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Reply #291April 13, 2014, 06:29:22 pm

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« Reply #291 on: April 13, 2014, 06:29:22 pm »
Okay, got those pics of the engine bay today.  installed the accessory bracket and alternator to simulate a complete assembled engine with accessories.  Also found out the lower alt bolt wont go in due to the frame rail being in the way; I might have to remove the front engine mount for a hot minute when I go for final install.  Furthermore, with the alternator installed, there's no room for where I thought I was going to relocate the radiator, so that idea just took a flying leap off a cliff.  Still, I can just reverse the originally proposed mounting for the coolers and be fine with it, but this might mean the hoses for the oil cooler get routed a little funky, we'll see.  Finally, left the air box out because I can go cone filter if I need to; more on that in a sec.










Now, you're probably wondering why I took the 7th picture how I did.  I was thinking this:  Maybe I route the pipe around where the air box goes (and mount a cone filter under the piping instead of using the air box), pass the pipe between the alt and upper rad hose by spacing the radiator up 1 inch on it's mounts with washers, and run the AWIC core and final pipe in the same proposed mounting position.  It's much longer that I was hoping, but it gets the job done.  Now I also have to  figure out if I'm even going to be able to put fans on the coolers anymore, because between the rad going back into it's home position, and little room between the coolers and the grille, the fans I originally bought for this don't fit at all, even with the grille removed.
After all that, but before leaving, I also decided to test mount the downpipe.  It's a great-looking piece, but there are some issues.





If you can tell in the first two pics (the second is more clear as to the area I'll be discussing), the pipe is hitting the shift linkage assembly near it's lower pivot area, as well as pointing about 5-7 degrees too far clockwise.  The third pic shows where the pipe will need to be modified.  It will need to be cut ad relocated to be about 2 inches more toward the passenger side as well as being rotated the above mentioned degrees counterclockwise.

That's all I was able to get done today, since there were other things that demanded my presence today, but I still brought all the pieces I need to modify home, so there will be work during the weekday until I can get out there next weekend to maybe mount the oil cooler assembly.  Most everything else is either needing to be bought or modified.  Now if you'll excuse me, I need to find my Dremel, because it has a hot date with Ms.'s Timing Belt Cover and Rear Engine Mount before going round the back to get busy on making a new custom radiator fan shroud from sheet metal.  Ooh yeah baby, hot cutting action tomorrow night!

CrazyAndy, out!


Reply #292April 13, 2014, 06:40:31 pm

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« Reply #292 on: April 13, 2014, 06:40:31 pm »
That is the routing I was going to suggest. I completely didn't think about you spacing your turbo back...that makes a huge difference on how the downpipe comes out. I also was guessing on the taller block. I am glad it is that close.

Reply #293April 13, 2014, 07:04:25 pm

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« Reply #293 on: April 13, 2014, 07:04:25 pm »
That is the routing I was going to suggest. I completely didn't think about you spacing your turbo back...that makes a huge difference on how the downpipe comes out. I also was guessing on the taller block. I am glad it is that close.

Trust me dude, I did not mean my DP comments as a "WTF he should have done better"; rather its more like "Wow he got THAT close!".  Yeah I was hoping I'd get to use the MK2 air box, but alas it is not to be.  Vanvcguy, if you're out there, this really shows the differences between MK1 and MK3 engine bays in terms of underhood size and engine placement; it show that while we can plan for similar setups, but in reality the available space means we must think about our routings.


Reply #294April 13, 2014, 08:38:56 pm

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« Reply #294 on: April 13, 2014, 08:38:56 pm »
for the lower alt bolt,  drill a hole in the frame horn you can poke its head into for R&R.  Use an Allen if you want it smaller.  It would suck having to  swing the engine to swap alternators on the road somewhere.

Reply #295April 13, 2014, 10:25:41 pm

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« Reply #295 on: April 13, 2014, 10:25:41 pm »
Is that a MKI would relocate the battery to the back or under using a knietic type.

Is that a MK1 td airbox, if yor not going to use it let me know, I will pay for the K&N assy you need for your install as a trade

I make those snorkels to the turbo in two different I.D. depending on the Turbo inlets O.D.

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1.9 AAZ, CHD 5spd with Peloquin
KO4/KO3 Hybrid turbo
Giles Pump OHC
Complete Techtonics 2'5 S/S DP and Exhaust
Coilovers, MKII Pedal Swap,G60 BRAKES
MK1 JETTA DASH
675MM 16V radiator (MKII) PASSAT DUAL FAN
42K original miles , South African Front End
15x6 Le Casletts 195-45-15

Reply #296April 14, 2014, 05:44:32 am

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« Reply #296 on: April 14, 2014, 05:44:32 am »
That is the routing I was going to suggest. I completely didn't think about you spacing your turbo back...that makes a huge difference on how the downpipe comes out. I also was guessing on the taller block. I am glad it is that close.

Trust me dude, I did not mean my DP comments as a "WTF he should have done better"; rather its more like "Wow he got THAT close!".  Yeah I was hoping I'd get to use the MK2 air box, but alas it is not to be.  Vanvcguy, if you're out there, this really shows the differences between MK1 and MK3 engine bays in terms of underhood size and engine placement; it show that while we can plan for similar setups, but in reality the available space means we must think about our routings.

No I know you weren't ripping on me, I just got to thinking when you did it "why wouldn't it fit" and then remembered it is 3/4" taller and you moved it toward the firewall. I cannot see where it is hitting the shift stuff so it should be really close to working for you, I hope.

Reply #297April 20, 2014, 06:36:56 pm

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« Reply #297 on: April 20, 2014, 06:36:56 pm »
More Rabbit work today, figuring out the placement and routing of the coolers again. Finally decided that I'd mount the coolers near the upper part of the grille area, and that actually means I can use auxiliary fans now. Also decided that since I won't be using the airbox and the AWIC core takes up less space, I can rout the oil cooler lines around the bottom of the frame horn and up around near the headlamp bucket where the oil cooler fittings are; and so it is. Only drawback is that I need a shorted oil filter now.
I tilted the AWIC radiator on it's side, and I still have room for a 90 degree fitting or two; this will also mean I can feed the rad from the bottom so it's a reverse flow which will keep air bubbles out of the AWIC rad tanks. Now I need to decide where the pump goes. I'll probably tuck it in the fender; out of the way and a good low point in the system.
Things are finally coming along nicely. Getting better all the time!






Reply #298April 21, 2014, 04:46:34 pm

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« Reply #298 on: April 21, 2014, 04:46:34 pm »
Great work!

What oil cooler is that and where did you get in and the sandwich plate? Where are you going to put your filter?

Reply #299April 21, 2014, 09:06:48 pm

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« Reply #299 on: April 21, 2014, 09:06:48 pm »
I got all this from Summit.  The sandwich adapter is a Trans-Cool, and the cooler core is a Derale trans cooler.  The oil filter will be in the stock location under the sandwich (it's just a take-off not a reroute), but the filter is an inch shorter as a result of the sandwich.