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November 28, 2011, 12:57:40 pm

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Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« on: November 28, 2011, 12:57:40 pm »
Well, the oil seals on my K24 have blown and it's slowly leaking oil into the exhaust. I have been searching for VNT turbos, and I was thinking maybe VNT 17 would be a good size. I'm wondering if I can run that without having to hook up the vane control system to have some sort of nice middle ground. Or how about a VNT 20, how early/late does that spool up to 20 psi?

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Reply #1November 28, 2011, 03:22:13 pm

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 03:22:13 pm »
I have a VNT17 on my rabbit. I played with the vane position lever until I got it to where it maxes out at about 18psi. Boost comes on pretty quickly, obviously not as good as if you had a vane control but I am very happy with it. The more fuel you throw at it, the quicker it will spool and the more boost it will build. Just adjust your fuel/vane position until you are happy. I love my vnt!
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Reply #2November 28, 2011, 03:35:32 pm

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 03:35:32 pm »
I have a VNT17 on my rabbit. I played with the vane position lever until I got it to where it maxes out at about 18psi. Boost comes on pretty quickly, obviously not as good as if you had a vane control but I am very happy with it. The more fuel you throw at it, the quicker it will spool and the more boost it will build. Just adjust your fuel/vane position until you are happy. I love my vnt!

GT1749VNT? (newer VNT15)

or a real VNT17 off a AFN engine?
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Reply #3November 29, 2011, 01:33:20 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2011, 01:33:20 am »
I have a VNT17 on my rabbit. I played with the vane position lever until I got it to where it maxes out at about 18psi. Boost comes on pretty quickly, obviously not as good as if you had a vane control but I am very happy with it. The more fuel you throw at it, the quicker it will spool and the more boost it will build. Just adjust your fuel/vane position until you are happy. I love my vnt!

GT1749VNT? (newer VNT15)

or a real VNT17 off a AFN engine?

The "real" VNT17 as you are referring to is the GT1749VA from the PD130 engines, or even the GT1749VB from the PD150. The AFN has a GT1749V which is way smaller, called the VNT15.
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Reply #4November 29, 2011, 04:10:24 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 04:10:24 am »
I have a VNT17 on my rabbit. I played with the vane position lever until I got it to where it maxes out at about 18psi. Boost comes on pretty quickly, obviously not as good as if you had a vane control but I am very happy with it. The more fuel you throw at it, the quicker it will spool and the more boost it will build. Just adjust your fuel/vane position until you are happy. I love my vnt!
Oh that sounds awesome!

And I guess I can get a VNT from a longitudinal engine too right? I have read a little, but as I've understood I can use a longitudinal VNT which won't interfere with the engine mount.

Correct?
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Reply #5November 29, 2011, 04:25:04 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 04:25:04 am »
if you're not going to hook up the vanes then why go vnt.  theres a zillion small turbos u can get off of other cars, even the k03 off mk3 tdis would be a nice little turbo on a 1.6 and its nearly a direct bolt on.
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Reply #6November 29, 2011, 05:06:26 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 05:06:26 am »
if you're not going to hook up the vanes then why go vnt.  theres a zillion small turbos u can get off of other cars, even the k03 off mk3 tdis would be a nice little turbo on a 1.6 and its nearly a direct bolt on.
Well honestly, as far as I've understood, you can get a nice balance between fast spool and high boost. With a K14 that doesn't happen, and with a K03 it definitely won't happen.
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Reply #7November 29, 2011, 06:12:34 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 06:12:34 am »
If you are not going to control the vanes a wastegate turbo will always be a better option. What are your power goals, what modifications are you doing to the pump, max rpm limit?
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Reply #8November 29, 2011, 06:24:23 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 06:24:23 am »
Well, before the seals blew, the car was fast enough, only limited by the fact that I didn't have the gov mod. I guess if there is no gain to be had if I don't add VNT control then I might as well just rebuild the K24 that's on there now!
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Reply #9November 29, 2011, 07:43:08 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2011, 07:43:08 am »
If you're looking for boost to build fairly low 1600-1800 and by 2500 at full boost, I don't know too many turbos that will do that and still allow you to build up to 18-20 psi.  My .02$ - vnt is the only way to go.  Just don't run a vnt 15 over 18-20 psi like I did.  I think the 17 is a better option if you're buying new.
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Reply #10November 29, 2011, 08:06:36 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2011, 08:06:36 am »
If you're looking for boost to build fairly low 1600-1800 and by 2500 at full boost, I don't know too many turbos that will do that and still allow you to build up to 18-20 psi.  My .02$ - vnt is the only way to go.  Just don't run a vnt 15 over 18-20 psi like I did.  I think the 17 is a better option if you're buying new.

yup, VNT..

mine boosts @ 1500rpms
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Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #11November 29, 2011, 08:19:27 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2011, 08:19:27 am »
If you're looking for boost to build fairly low 1600-1800 and by 2500 at full boost, I don't know too many turbos that will do that and still allow you to build up to 18-20 psi.  My .02$ - vnt is the only way to go.  Just don't run a vnt 15 over 18-20 psi like I did.  I think the 17 is a better option if you're buying new.

yup, VNT..

mine boosts @ 1500rpms
How are your vanes controlled though?
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Reply #12November 29, 2011, 09:34:54 am

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 09:34:54 am »

GT1749VNT? (newer VNT15)

or a real VNT17 off a AFN engine?

Im running a GT1749VA off a PD130 as Alcaid mentioned. I am using the exhaust mani off an AFN though.
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Reply #13November 29, 2011, 12:54:06 pm

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2011, 12:54:06 pm »
If you're looking for boost to build fairly low 1600-1800 and by 2500 at full boost, I don't know too many turbos that will do that and still allow you to build up to 18-20 psi.  My .02$ - vnt is the only way to go.  Just don't run a vnt 15 over 18-20 psi like I did.  I think the 17 is a better option if you're buying new.

yup, VNT..

mine boosts @ 1500rpms
How are your vanes controlled though?

they arent..
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #14November 29, 2011, 01:49:13 pm

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Re: Blown oil seals, upgrade to VNT?
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2011, 01:49:13 pm »
So the vanes stay in the position you set them in? I'm getting more and more intrigued by this idea :D
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