Author Topic: need help with 1.9td head on 1.6 solid block plz!!!  (Read 16462 times)

Reply #30February 01, 2006, 10:29:45 pm

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« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2006, 10:29:45 pm »
Quote from: "libbybapa"
The Bentley I have says:
0.67-0.80 is the 1 notch
0.81-0.90 is the 2 notch
0.91-1.02 is the 3 notch

That would make yours a three.  You made me actually get out my book. :)

Where did you get your specs from?  It would surprise me if the bottom end were out that much without a rod poking out of the case.

Are you saying that the actual thickness of the 1 notch gasket is 1.53?  That would make sense, but if the pistons protruded 1.53 and you fitted a 1.53 gasket, the pistons would actually hit the head.  

On Malone's engine they went from a 3 to a 1 to increase compression and heat.  I think you could go with the 2 notch to compensate some for the increased combustion chamber size of the 1.9 head, just be dern sure on your cam timing.  What do others think?
I  always crank the motor by hand to make sure there is no interferance. that is good enough right? that is my fault. I miss read the book I thought the piston was supposed to potrude 1.53. does any one else have an opinion on weather or not I should use the 2 hole or three hole gasket?

Reply #31February 02, 2006, 10:10:13 am

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« Reply #31 on: February 02, 2006, 10:10:13 am »
Malones motor was in spec for a 1 hole gasket, I just a put a 3 hole int he first time round to help lower the comp a bit. I tried putting a 2 hole gasket on a 3 hole spec engine once, no problems. It was a 1.9 metal HG on a 1.6 NA, I cranked it over by hand before starting and there was no intereferance, so I started it up and it ran like a champ, the guy has put 21,000kms on it since (this was only back in the summer!) and he was had no problems. All this said it was just barely in spec for a 3 hole, I don;t know at which point you have collision..g

Reply #32February 02, 2006, 10:14:32 am

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« Reply #32 on: February 02, 2006, 10:14:32 am »
I don't think any one likes us?

Reply #33February 02, 2006, 10:16:09 am

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« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2006, 10:16:09 am »
I believe that motor I did was .92 and I used the 2 hole gasket.

Reply #34February 02, 2006, 11:53:03 am

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« Reply #34 on: February 02, 2006, 11:53:03 am »
If there is enough meat to safely hold it, I like the allen head NPT plug idea to make the 1.9LTD head.  :)  Plug the holes in both the block and the head.

Also, be aware that the tables are different for determining head gasket thickness for a hydraulic lifter head gasket than vs. a solid lifter head gasket.  If going to a multi-layer steel head gasket, I'd use the tables for a hydraulic 1.6 application.  Details are in this thread:
http://www.vwdiesel.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=840
Jake Russell
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Reply #35February 02, 2006, 04:19:19 pm

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« Reply #35 on: February 02, 2006, 04:19:19 pm »
I was brousing my local farm equipment store and came across the product called tech steel. it is a steel reinforced epoxy putty. clams to adhere to steel,alum,wood, CAST IRON,and everthing else it touches. it is impervious to chemicals. 500F tempature resistant. www.nlsproducts.ca
thinkin of givin that a try to plug the block and the head..?

Reply #36February 02, 2006, 06:25:26 pm

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« Reply #36 on: February 02, 2006, 06:25:26 pm »
very true. I'm going to e mail the comany and c if they recomend useing it.

Reply #37February 04, 2006, 12:25:47 am

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« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2006, 12:25:47 am »
ok I got the head gasket and most of the instructions are half english half german.... it said something about head gasket sealent?.. is there such a thing?

Reply #38February 04, 2006, 11:04:57 am

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« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2006, 11:04:57 am »
Sealers are necessary on some kinds of gaskets that don't come with their own sealer pre-applied.  For example, older headgaskets without sealer or "pure copper sheet" headgaskets call for added sealer to reliably contain oil and water where it needs to be.  Sealant is generally not relied upon to seal combustion pressure however.

All VW headgaskets (both fiberous and multi-layer steel) come precoated with their own sealer, and so their installation instructions always say that adding extra sealer is not needed, or recommended.

All headgasket problems I've encountered on VW Diesels have been with combustion pressure getting out, usually escaping out into the water jacket on the the side opposite of the prechambers.  The seal surface of the head back there is hollow and weak.  The more a head gets milled, the thinner and weaker this area becomes.  Heat also might make this area bow away from the block, as the failures are often caused by coolant loss and overheating that follows.

My local VW engine builder who has done lots of VW Diesel builds is a fan of "copper spray a gasket" type sealers.  I have tried this one on a few of VW Diesel headgaskets:



The theory of why it can help is that the copper particles help promote heat transfer between head and block.  I'm not sure if they do or not.  The above headgasket (coated fiberous gasket with headstuds on the VNT Rabbit) sprung a leak, just like happened previously with an uncoated, stock headbolted fiberous headgasket.  The head measured flat, but it could be that is has a weak spot which pulls away from the block surface when it gets heated up.

The next try is going to be using a multi-layer steel headgasket.  Besides simply being stronger to resist blow-outs, they have added elasticity so they should better conform to the moving surfaces than the fiberous varieties.
Jake Russell
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Reply #39February 04, 2006, 08:21:11 pm

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« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2006, 08:21:11 pm »
wow thanx for explaining that. I just finished installing the steel head gasket in my 1.6solid block. haven't ran it up to temp yet. still gotta get a turbo rebuild kit be for a first run. but thanx for the info on the head sealent.

Reply #40February 05, 2006, 10:36:21 pm

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« Reply #40 on: February 05, 2006, 10:36:21 pm »
I used the steel tech. with a coat hanger welded to a dime ground down to fit in the hole to act as a plug to male sure the epoxy pushed out tight to the walls. then after it dryed. cut the left over hanger off and ground down to the head level.