Author Topic: need help with 1.9td head on 1.6 solid block plz!!! (Read 12955 times)

samuraikid · « **Reply #15 on:** January 29, 2006, 12:09:05 am »

k well I got the head. and now I understand the hole that needs to be pluged. what do u guys think of J.B weld?

samuraikid · « **Reply #16 on:** January 30, 2006, 01:53:33 am »

what do u suggest?

samuraikid · « **Reply #17 on:** January 30, 2006, 01:55:40 pm »

I like that Idea to. but with past experences that I have had. it is pretty hard to make an odd steel shape hole round. also with the posiblitys of brakeing the drill bit in the hole,hole getting drilled crooked + all the shaveing that some how you have to try to keep out of the block. can any one tell me that they have done this with confedence. and sucsess?

samuraikid · « **Reply #18 on:** January 30, 2006, 05:30:57 pm »

sound like a *** load of precice work. no room for errors. I can do it, I'm not really worryed about that. it is the fact the no one else has. and that is a good point with the coolent sitting in that passage now. what is going to happen to it...? is it gonna always be boiling and mess up the block.? is that high temp sylicone going to with stand that pressure? and for how long?.. I thing the npt plug still is on the safer side then the sylicone. I would think eventualy the sylicone would loosen up and blow out..

samuraikid · « **Reply #19 on:** January 30, 2006, 10:16:59 pm »

I will go with the npt.didnt I read on the board some were a guy useing a dime and sylicone in the head gasket? or am I dreaming?

samuraikid · « **Reply #20 on:** January 30, 2006, 10:32:43 pm »

if it was you doing this would u trust a dime and sylicone...? or the npt...

samuraikid · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:35:55 am »

well.. I think I will be ok with tapping the block... just have to go out and get the proper reemer bits and an npt tap, and give it a try. I guess if I can't get it to work out I will be in the market for a 1.6 hyro block. and then my 1.9 head will bolt right up with out any mods right?

samuraikid · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2006, 02:04:13 pm »

I have one more question. where is the glow plug temp sensor in the 1.9 head.? on the 1.6 it was in the rear water jacket?

josh arnold · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2006, 05:08:05 pm »

I just recently put a new 1.9 head on my 1.6 TD. I wanted to use the metal 1.9 head gasket on mine badly, but that one oil drain back passage hole in the head gasket just interfered to much will the coolant hole in the block. So I did the next best thing, found a Goetze fiber head gasket made for the 1.6 TD and made an aluminum plug with an interference fit, mixed some JB Weld and pressed it into place. The plug I left sticking out a 1/16", then I put it on the mill and resurfaced the head. The set up worked great! As far as the intake goes, the 1.6 TD stock intake, depending on the head and its castings, the intake ports wont line up at the top of the "D" port. On mine I had to weld the top part of the ports on the manifold and port match it. Other than that the 1.9 head works awesome, 2mm larger intake valves, 7mm valve terrain, and on top of that I did some radius and bowl work on the head, tappered the valve guides,3 angle valve job. It runs alot stronger now.

samuraikid · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2006, 07:18:20 pm »

Quote from: "josh arnold"

I just recently put a new 1.9 head on my 1.6 TD. I wanted to use the metal 1.9 head gasket on mine badly, but that one oil drain back passage hole in the head gasket just interfered to much will the coolant hole in the block. So I did the next best thing, found a Goetze fiber head gasket made for the 1.6 TD and made an aluminum plug with an interference fit, mixed some JB Weld and pressed it into place. The plug I left sticking out a 1/16", then I put it on the mill and resurfaced the head. The set up worked great! As far as the intake goes, the 1.6 TD stock intake, depending on the head and its castings, the intake ports wont line up at the top of the "D" port. On mine I had to weld the top part of the ports on the manifold and port match it. Other than that the 1.9 head works awesome, 2mm larger intake valves, 7mm valve terrain, and on top of that I did some radius and bowl work on the head, tappered the valve guides,3 angle valve job. It runs alot stronger now.

hummmm that is an interesting way of going about it.so did u end up useing the steel or fiber gasket? im a little confused? i dont have access to a machine shop. and i really dont wanna pull the block out of mty truck.

samuraikid · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2006, 07:20:21 pm »

what do u think of his way of doing it libbybapa?

samuraikid · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2006, 10:27:45 pm »

Quote from: "libbybapa"

I think the aluminum plug in the head and then machining flat is good if putting a hyd head on a solid block using the solid lifter head gasket, but it doesn't solve the coolant channel issue if the metal (hyd) gasket is used. The hole in the gasket for the oil channel is large and actually extends from the coolant passage to the outside of the block where the hydraulic block has the added channel in the casting. If wanting to use the metal gasket you are still needing a way to block that channel. In another thread someone suggested using a piece of metal gasket to fill in the hole. I would want to make sure that the piece completely covered the coolant passage and that there wasn't a seam on the passage. If there was a seam running across the passage (it looks like it would land there) then I would enlarge the hole in the gasket and then enlarge the plug. I haven't given up on the npt plug idea either.

Andrew

ok i get what he did now. but i want to use the steel head gasket.
and yes the coolent passage does over lap were the hole is in the steel headgasket.. but cutting that peace all out and putting in and old bigger peace sounds like it just might work!
another question.. the 1.9 head that i got had a 2 hole gasket. and my motor had a 3 noch gasket.. what do i use?

samuraikid · « **Reply #27 on:** February 01, 2006, 12:26:02 am »

I was thinking of useing a peace of the old steel gasket that I have. and cutting out the new gasket.?
the gasket question was a dumb one I should have know better. I will get my feeler gauges out and a strait edge tomorrow. I hope it ends up being a 2 hole gasket. beacause that is what came out of the old motor. and I won't have to buy 2 new head gaskets...

samuraikid · « **Reply #28 on:** February 01, 2006, 02:47:28 pm »

ok. well now that I had a second I went out to the gradge and mesured the piston protrusion. and at TDC with a straight edge across the piston all I could get was .927.... the 1 hole gasket is 1.53.. I'm thinking this block has way more miles on it then I thought. and the bottom end bearings are warn that bad?....

samuraikid · « **Reply #29 on:** February 01, 2006, 10:29:15 pm »

libbybapa?