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getting horrible screach during start up !!video!!
by
awpgti
on 20 Jul, 2010 16:35
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Whne i attempt to start up this 1985 jetta diesel im getting ths horrible sound and the car wont start, has anyone evr heard this sound???
Ok boys and girls here is the infamous cat rape sound, its not for the faint of heart....what's happening here is I wait for glow plugs, then try to start the car, at the end my fiance attempts to film the white cloud of smoke......turn the sound way up to get the full flavor, and the metalic nature of this!!!
click on the picture to watch video
here is the thread of what has been going on with this rebuild
http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=260581&page=108
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#1
by
UnderPSI
on 20 Jul, 2010 17:31
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Sounds like the starter isn't shimmed proper.
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#2
by
awpgti
on 20 Jul, 2010 17:39
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How do you go about shiming it??
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#3
by
UnderPSI
on 20 Jul, 2010 18:01
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Isn't there a tin between the engine and trans?
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#4
by
burn_your_money
on 20 Jul, 2010 18:49
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Do you have any loose belts? Did you play with the timing belt? What changed between when it was last starting properly and now?
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#5
by
awpgti
on 20 Jul, 2010 19:26
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Originally Posted by oilhammer
Just so we are clear, and to recap:
You got the engine started, it ran OK but you had the check valve on wrong so the vent cap was popping off #1 injector.
You fixed the check valve, engine started and ran fine, but then you noticed a horrific leak from the bellhousing.
Determined it was trans oil, pulled the trans, found you had someone sell you a large-shaft 020 seal, you corrected that, then put the trans back in, and now this problem? then....
...put trans in and everything ran ok...I adjusted the idle and ip had it run ok.
Then while it was running I was playing with the idle all of a sudden it stalled chucked it up to the idle screw.
Then I removed valve cover and turned each head bolt 1/4 turn because it went through several fam cycles.
Hasn't been the same since.....!?!?!?
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#6
by
rabbitman
on 20 Jul, 2010 21:12
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Check the cam and IP timing.
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#7
by
Thezorn
on 22 Jul, 2010 00:16
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Check your crank nose sprocket too. The 1.6L's aren't known for it but the sprocket stripper on my 93 AAZ and I would get the same effect when trying to start.
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#8
by
veedubcanuck
on 22 Jul, 2010 18:30
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Wow that sounds just like an engine that was run out of oil and spun the bearings..... What happened?
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#9
by
Rabbit on Roids
on 23 Jul, 2010 08:45
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there is either a broken piston, or bearings in very sad shape, in that engine.
not like internet diagnosis is the best, but my diagnosis is that it had a heart attack, and when the heart cant pump oil no more, the bearings have a heart attack.. lol.
sorry your engine is more than likely toast..
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#10
by
awpgti
on 25 Jul, 2010 08:43
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Well you guys guesed seems that the oil pump didn't prime/ lost it's prime/ or failed, but regardless the engine was oil deprived!!! And with out a doubt there is a degree of damdge!! The plan is to remove the head and the pan and inspect everything see what's damadged car was ran for no longer then 30 mom at idle had maybe three fan cycles!! What kind of damadged can I expect besides all bearings being shot and most likley broken and toasted rings??
Also I saw somthing about people upgrading to the " hydro oil pumps" they seem to flow a much greater amount of oil any insight into that would be great!!
Thank you!!
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#11
by
92EcoDiesel Jetta
on 25 Jul, 2010 11:40
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When did you first realize that oil was not flowing? Did you open the oil fill cap at the maiden start to look for oil flow? I assume not.
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#12
by
OM617
on 25 Jul, 2010 11:47
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Almost sounds like air being pushed out through a blown headgasket.
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#13
by
westcoaster
on 25 Jul, 2010 12:33
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Might be a bit late to ask these questions but...
Color of smoke out the tailpipe?
What happens if you disconnect the wire to the electrical pump (preventing the engine from wanting to fire)
Sound still there?
Post up a video of that. The engine wanting to fire is causing too much "clutter"
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#14
by
awpgti
on 25 Jul, 2010 14:23
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Color was white now is black , the engine was def run with out oil. What damadge can I expect??