Wow, dude, take the troll mask off and put the thinking cap on please...
Your posting of the bulletin and your words with it, "According to this VW maintenace booklet insert, it is not necessary to retorque the 12mm head bolts after 1,000 miles, at least on this model engine," would give the impression that you believe that VW dispensed with the required 1,000 mile re-torque requirement for the head bolts even after a head gasket and bolt replacment. I don't get that impression from the bulletin and I think its an error in logic to assume that is what they meant. My statement is not ambiguous. The condition that the engine arrives "from the factory" is an easily comprehended distinction that would mean when the engine is "new" (similar descriptions would be "factory new" or "brand new", etc), as opposed to after a head gasket replacement torque procedure. I made that distinction to contrast the two possible situations of head bolt torque procedures, "from the factory" (a situation that probably hasn't occurred for anyone with a '91 in almost twenty years) and "after a head gasket replacement" or even a rebuilt engine that was not "from the factory". Get it?? You do not know what they do to the engines at the factory prior to installation. They may very well run them through some break-in procedures at the factory that eliminate the necessity for any additional torque procedure for the head bolts and yet the re-torque procedure would still be necessary after the replacement of the head gasket. They may also be saying that the re-torque can wait until the normal 7,500 service interval. I doubt there are any people on this forum who give a flying fig about whether or not the head bolts needed a re-torque when the vehicle only had 1,000 miles on it, however I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in knowing whether or not to re-torque the bolts 1,000 miles after a head gasket change. Because of that, the posting of an ambiguous bulletin that only applied to when the car was "new", "brand new" or "from the factory" strikes me as both irrelevant and misleading. How many folks here do you think have a '91 car with less than 1,000 miles on it??
Wow, Brah, dude, man, dudeman or whatever you want to be called by.
Your arguement has more holes in it than a golf course.
"If there are two ways to interpret something I say and one of them gets your knickers in a twist, then I meant the other one." Words to live by and not just preach.
"According to this VW maintenace booklet insert, it is not necessary to retorque the 12mm head bolts after 1,000 miles, at least on this model engine,." Yes, that is what I wrote. Why? because that is what is written on the Maintenance bulletin. This is a discussion forum and in America we are free to discuss and not feel bullied by others. That is less ambiguous than what you just wrote: "Are they saying that the re-torque is not necessary from the factory?" Again, I did not say this. You did. Fail.
You wrote "
even after a head gasket and bolt replacment" I say nothing about that. Only now do you introduce this into your arguement.
You wrote "would give the impression that you believe that VW dispensed with the required 1,000 mile re-torque requirement for the head bolts" What would ever give you that impression? Now you think you can read my mind. Fail. Who are you? The thought police? You do not know my intent for posting. It is certainly not to start an arguement with you. That is your opinion. Everyone has an opinon but you assume too much. When you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME. I would say that you are fighting a strawman. A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
You wrote "I don't get that impression from the bulletin and I think its an error in logic to assume that is what they meant." I concur.
You wrote "My statement is not ambiguous." Obviously it must be, otherwise you would not be trying to elborate on your position at this time. Sucks to be ambiguous but yes it can happen to you too.
You wrote "The condition that the engine arrives "from the factory" is an easily comprehended distinction that would mean when the engine is "new" (similar descriptions would be "factory new" or "brand new", etc),
as opposed to after a head gasket replacement torque procedure." Thanks for clarifying what you tried to say earlier, even though you say clarification was not needed and you claim that your prior statement of "Are they saying that the re-torque is not necessary from the factory? " is not ambiguous. Fail.
You wrote "You do not know what they do to the engines at the factory prior to installation. They may very well run them through some break-in procedures at the factory that eliminate the necessity for any additional torque procedure for the head bolts and yet the re-torque procedure would still be necessary after the replacement of the head gasket." I never said that I knew what the "factory" does to the engines prior to installation nor did I comment on head gasket replacement procedures.
You wrote "I doubt there are any people on this forum who give a flying fig about whether or not the head bolts needed a re-torque when the vehicle only had 1,000 miles on it" Just your opinion.
You Wrote "however I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in knowing whether or not to re-torque the bolts 1,000 miles after a head gasket change. Because of that, the posting of an ambiguous bulletin that
only applied to when the car was "new", "brand new" or "from the factory" strikes me as both irrelevant and misleading. How many folks here do you think have a '91 car with less than 1,000 miles on it?" I am glad you speak for everyone that uses this site. If you feel the readers will be mislead by the bulletin then by all means do everything in your power to police this site to the best of your ability. It is irrelevant to ask "How many folks here do you think have a '91 car with less than 1,000 miles on it?"
Do us all a favor and stop replying to my posts in a negative manner. It's like you've got sand up your Volkswagen Audi Group.
