Relayance of thy headlights & HID Conversion

[macka]

Jer,

  Check out Daniel Stern Lighting. Make sure you get a good reputable name, not a second or a cheap knockoff. You can score the real deal off of ebay europe. Not cheap, but the real deal and the right lights for the job.

[Turbinepowered]

How about HID's boys? any one got any recommendations?

No. Not unless you are going to do them properly, with a full optics conversion and all the leveling modifications.

Otherwise you're just selfishly blinding people.

[Rabbit on Roids]

How about HID's boys? any one got any recommendations?

No. Not unless you are going to do them properly, with a full optics conversion and all the leveling modifications.

Otherwise you're just selfishly blinding people.

i wouldnt put hid bulbs in anything besides an hid reflector. hid bulbs make light the wrong way for our headlight reflectors to aim or focus the light the right way. most of our headlight setups are 9004, and i know they make HID conversions for them, but why get hid's if you cant make use of all the light?

[8v-of-fury]

I have read my fair share about the HID conversions. I understand that the Neon (?) gas that burns in the HID bulbs burns in the entire bulb, similar to a fluorescent bulb. The light is now shining in basically 360 degrees instead the old filament type bulbs with light only coming from one small 1/4" strand of tungsten that is producing light in just a small area. The light produced by the HID in a Halogen projector sends light rays through parts of the projector that are not intended.

I have seen many idiots with just stupidly bright headlights, that don't really look like they shine any further than my sealed beams..

I was asking if anyone has seen or come across a proper setup for the Mk1 Jettas 4X6 headlight with all the goodies for the conversion. Probably not a route I will go, as it is likely expensive as a pair of fake knockers or something

Even the H1/H4 conversion looks stupid priced.. just the bulb holders are like crazy priced.. How can that be? they don't even have the bulbs in them! lol

[Turbinepowered]

The gas doesn't burn. It does something similar to what happens in a fluorescent bulb, where you jolt electricity through it and it gets excited and throws off light.

HIDs actually produce their brightest light at two points; the "filament" is actually an arc leaping from one electrode to another, exciting the gas as it passes through it. The most light is released at the two "points" of the arc, one on each end where it leaps to or from an electrode.

In a sealed beam or standard halogen bulb, you're producing light by heating a tungsten filament until it's white-hot; it's incandescing, not fluorescing. The halogen gas in the bulb is there to keep the filament from oxidizing, and to allow the element to maintain a temperature equilibrium to produce the desired light colour.

[mystery3]

The kits are about $100 here
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=744
I didn't think twice but I really find good lighting to be important on my vehicles.

[Rabbit on Roids]

The kits are about $100 here
http://www.rallylights.com/detail.aspx?ID=744
I didn't think twice but I really find good lighting to be important on my vehicles.

this isnt HID lighting, this is just a set of good ol h4 conversion housings. they are the really good ones tho. not the 20 dollar plastic ebay ones. the hella H4 lights are pretty much the best quality H4 conv i have seen. my friends use them in their wheelers alot. i personally have never used them, but they are obnoxiously bright.

[8v-of-fury]

for that kit then would i need to order two sets?

Hella
 

H6054 200mm Rectangular E-code Hi-Lo Conversion Headlamp Kit.

• Replaces 6052, 6053, H6052 and H6054 Sealed Beams.
• Includes two lamps, two dust boots and two bulbs.

• If your car has sealed beams, this is the most effective, simplest and least expensive improvement in forward lighting you can make.
• Optical Quartz Lens
• Silverized Polished Aluminum Reflector
• Replaceable H4 Bulb
• Four times as much light on Low Beam, Twice as much on High Beam.
$101.20

then i was thinking H6054L 80/70W Hella Yellowstars? If i did this I could run just two headlights eh? OR maybe even keep one of the Sylvania Silverstars in the driver side high beam... and use the passenger side hole as a duct for intake breather.. OOoohh

[Rabbit on Roids]

for that kit then would i need to order two sets?

Hella
 

H6054 200mm Rectangular E-code Hi-Lo Conversion Headlamp Kit.

• Replaces 6052, 6053, H6052 and H6054 Sealed Beams.
• Includes two lamps, two dust boots and two bulbs.

• If your car has sealed beams, this is the most effective, simplest and least expensive improvement in forward lighting you can make.
• Optical Quartz Lens
• Silverized Polished Aluminum Reflector
• Replaceable H4 Bulb
• Four times as much light on Low Beam, Twice as much on High Beam.
$101.20

then i was thinking H6054L 80/70W Hella Yellowstars? If i did this I could run just two headlights eh? OR maybe even keep one of the Sylvania Silverstars in the driver side high beam... and use the passenger side hole as a duct for intake breather.. OOoohh

3 headlights would look dumb. you have a mk1, just make a rain tray intake.

and i think the VW cars with more than 2 rectangle head lights had the smaller lights, so they could fit 2 there instead of 1. my audi has 4 headlights, and they are not even close to the same as the singles in my rabbit, they are way smaller.

pretty sure they make the lights that will fit in your dual rect grille tho..

[Turbinepowered]

Just make sure you aim them again once you've reset them. Just popping H4 lights where sealed beams once sat tends to throw light upward more, into folks' faces.

Not to mention you'll put more light on the road where it should be, further improving your visual range, once they're aimed right. I can't tell you how many times people have complained about "bad lighting" and they've never aimed their headlights...

[mystery3]

Oh yeah, the set I posted are for mk1 westy rabbits, caddies etc. I didn't think about the jetta or rocco having four lights. The guys at susquehanna motorsports (rallylights.com) are really nice guys and I'm sure can sort you out a nice quad-light setup.

As far as the hids I thought there was a bit of consensus about not going with hid and I personally don't like the look and the output isn't really better than a good h4/h1 setup it's just blue.

[clbanman]

As far as the hids I thought there was a bit of consensus about not going with hid and I personally don't like the look and the output isn't really better than a good h4/h1 setup it's just blue.

If you have ever had true HID lights versus halogens, there is a huge difference.  The difference in output is great enough that if you don't have a properly designed and aimed system, it becomes dangerous for people driving in the direction opposite to yours.   A HID system has to have a ballast and the bulb.  The ballast may be internal if you were buying a selfcontained unit, but if there is no ballast do not have a HID setup.

[mystery3]

As far as the hids I thought there was a bit of consensus about not going with hid and I personally don't like the look and the output isn't really better than a good h4/h1 setup it's just blue.

If you have ever had true HID lights versus halogens, there is a huge difference.  The difference in output is great enough that if you don't have a properly designed and aimed system, it becomes dangerous for people driving in the direction opposite to yours.   A HID system has to have a ballast and the bulb.  The ballast may be internal if you were buying a selfcontained unit, but if there is no ballast do not have a HID setup.

Any suggestions for setting hids up on a mk1 jetta?
I pretty much get my lighting info from http://danielsternlighting.com/ and personal experience and don't believe that hids are better than properly setup traditional headlamps. The difference to which you refer is mostly color and cutoff. The cutoff with hids is good but what good does that do you? The color is all wrong.

[clbanman]

I have no experience with on-road HID.  We use off-road HID and I can tell you the difference is huge.  I don't have numbers but when I was testing driving our trucks at night I would always install HIDs instead of halogens, no matter which option the customer requested.  I would say about 50% greater visibility minimum.  Most of the comments I have seen about colour are referring to fake HID bulbs.

[Rabbit on Roids]

a REAL hid bulb takes a balast does it not? there are some HID bulbs with balasts that have some funky colored light too. those purple headlights bug me...