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Reply #75January 30, 2011, 03:45:55 pm

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Re: Micro controlled VNT project
« Reply #75 on: January 30, 2011, 03:45:55 pm »
I'm a  fan of the get a bigger tranny, axle, whatever approach.

Braking mode ideally, you hit a momentary pushbutton to trigger it, and it closes the vanes to work as an exhaust brake, but opens them up at a light touch of the  accelerator.
at a basic level, use the same strategy as any other exhaust brake
more advanced, you tap an up/down button to set desired speed.

From new Dmax literature...
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A new feature on Duramax-equipped models is an exhaust brake system. This driver-selectable feature uses the turbine control of the variable geometry turbocharger and the compression of the engine to generate backpressure, slowing the vehicle without applying the brakes. It is a smart system integrated with the cruise control feature and varies the braking to account for the grade and vehicle load.

The exhaust brake system allows for virtually effortless driving and towing, with seamless and quiet operation. It also helps prolong brake life and prevents overheating the brakes on long, downhill grades.

Reply #76January 31, 2011, 03:40:12 am

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Re: Micro controlled VNT project
« Reply #76 on: January 31, 2011, 03:40:12 am »
Not sure about the exhaust brake at all  ???

Using a turbine as a brake seems to make little sense to me, but then using brakes at all is something I tend to avoid generally.

Adding both features would be very easy regardless.

Reply #77February 01, 2011, 12:42:52 am

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Re: Micro controlled VNT project
« Reply #77 on: February 01, 2011, 12:42:52 am »
Not sure about the exhaust brake at all  ???

Using a turbine as a brake seems to make little sense to me, but then using brakes at all is something I tend to avoid generally.

Adding both features would be very easy regardless.

The scenario;
You are coming down out of the sierras with a carload of treasures.
Coasting in 3rd gear, you are holding 66 MPH at 4000 RPM, 0 fuel is being injected, vanes full open(TPS=0). An upcoming turn recommends 45 MPH.
-you could press the service brake and smoke up some pad, but neither of us likes that.
-grab 2nd?
-Raise the boost to 14 PSI, now you compress lots more air in the compression stroke, and substantially increase exhaust back pressure.  There is still no fuel injected, so the increased work the engine is doing can only slow it down. It is almost like you did shift to 2nd, you are slowed to 55 and make the corner without having touched the brake.
 Rounding the bend, you come upon a truck in the slow lane  belching smoke as he takes a run at the next uphill, what so you want to do?
a)Keeping fields green for the bunnies is important, you leave the brake on till you match speed 2' off the back of the trailer, and draft his sorry ass up the hill.
b)WOT Demons get the best of you, but since you are already pushing 1 bar, there is not a puff of smoke as you go to full fuel, and without hesitation leap past the evil rolling highway blockade.


Reply #78February 01, 2011, 07:28:23 am

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Re: Micro controlled VNT project
« Reply #78 on: February 01, 2011, 07:28:23 am »
or option 3...

ignore the 45 sign posted as that's for pussies and take it at the 66mph you are already at.

;)

I understand the scenario, and the beauty of a micro controlled system is that with the simple inclusion of

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if pushbutton = 1 then let Vp=255
end if

into the main routine then your wish is granted,

or you could have
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if pushbutton = 1 and Tp<10 then let Vp=255
end if

It basically says that if the pushbutton is pressed and there is no throttle input (Tp) (or very little) then the desired vane position (Vp) is 255 i.e. closed
The servo motor which positions the turbo vanes has a feedback variable Sp (servo position) . The servo motor is contantly driven to make Sp = VP (wthin a small tolerance)

Reply #79February 01, 2011, 11:09:26 pm

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« Reply #79 on: February 01, 2011, 11:09:26 pm »
Now that is cool!! ::).
'82 Rabbit, I put on a euro vnt-15, 2.25" DP, 2.5" exhaust, the result.....it whistled.

I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
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Reply #80February 02, 2011, 02:01:55 pm

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« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2011, 02:01:55 pm »
 nice one reg
« Last Edit: February 02, 2011, 10:57:55 pm by rolo »
the last one

Reply #81March 03, 2011, 09:03:11 am

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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2011, 09:03:11 am »
Congrats!  Can't wait to hear how it works in the car.

I think the OEM keeps the vanes open while at idle to keep the restrictions as low as possible.  So when you hit the throttle to go, there will inherently be a bit of a pause while the vanes close.  I'd think this would be enough of a delay in boost.

Now launch control, I like that idea.  :D

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Reply #82March 03, 2011, 09:19:27 am

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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2011, 09:19:27 am »
when do we get to buy kits/finished products? i really want one of these bad boys!
92 Jetta GLI - Black, 1.6D w/ GT2056V turbo..
86 GTI - 4 Door, Med Twilight Gray, Tow Machine..
86 Audi Coupe GT - Tornado Red, All Stock.. WRECKED.
89 Toyota 4Runner - Dark Grey Metallic, LIFTED!

Turbo: exhaust gasses go into the turbocharger and spin it, witchcraft happens and you go faster.

Reply #83March 05, 2011, 05:10:20 am

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« Reply #83 on: March 05, 2011, 05:10:20 am »
when do we get to buy kits/finished products? i really want one of these bad boys!

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Reply #84April 25, 2012, 12:50:16 pm

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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2012, 12:50:16 pm »
Any news on these bad boys? It's been over a year... And i just bought a vnt :)
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Reply #85April 25, 2012, 01:51:08 pm

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« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2012, 01:51:08 pm »
DITTO
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Reply #86April 25, 2012, 08:41:37 pm

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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2012, 08:41:37 pm »
2006 1.9L BRM 5-speed Manual... 100% Stock :(

Standalone VGT/VNT controller: http://dmn.kuulalaakeri.org/vnt-lda/
My CAN Bus video recorder: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QuRBQzGs-c