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June 23, 2004, 09:58:12 am

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« on: June 23, 2004, 09:58:12 am »
i am going to try to make time to build this tonight and dug this up from the old forum... thanks for the info jake!





Hey guys,

IT WORKS! Yee-hah!

I am talking about the turbo-timer, designed and installed by yours truly.
A turbo timer, upon triggering, allows the engine to continue running after
the ignition is switched off. Mine runs the engine for a little over 1
minute.

Why? Well, according to studies by Schwitzer Turbochargers, 90% of all
turbocharger failures are caused by maintainence/preventable issues - more
often than not, oil allowed to sit in the bearing area of the turbocharger
cooks and "cokes" if the bearing is too hot and the exhaust gasses and oil
circulation is cut off by shutting down the engine when things are too hot.
The turbo-timer automatically idles the engine so you don't have to sit
there and wait. Also, if you have to do the waiting the duration tends to
be minimal, especially if you're in a hurry getting to lecture, or into a
meeting, etc!

This is the latest update on the homebrew turbo-timer I've discussed in
earlier messages.

Parts required, and what it cost me:
(1) "slow" glow plug relay; part # 321 911 261 ($13 from friend, used)
(1) glow plug relay holder + wires ($2 from wrecking yard, used)
(3) diodes; silicone, I got the 3a continuous with high-peak current ($2 at
radio shack)
(1) T 1 3/4 light emitting diode (for viewing the status of the circuit, if
desired) color of your choice
misc - solder, multimeter, etc

Notes:
* This circuit is suitable for any VW / Audi / Volvo turbo diesel (four,
five, or six cylinders...) which is mechanically regulated by a governor
mechanism. (not a TDI)
* See above pic for schematic with wiring details
* Relay holder snaps along top row of relays on top of fusebox for a neat
installation (for US-built A1's at least) or could be strapped to some
fixture under the dash, etc. I just soldered two of the diodes directly
behind the relay holder; and third is wired in-line to the fuel shut-off
solenoid lead.
* Some key wire color codes are given, but colors may vary on models other
than my US-built Rabbit.
* Circuit is designed so that there is zero battery drain and no current
consumption until circuit is activated.

To activate the circuit, I just flick the high-beam headlights prior to
shut down. Once the timer is in a cycle additional high-beam trigger
signals have no effect. Once a ~1 minute cycle is completed the timer is
ready to begin another. Triggering is virtually instant (only a fraction
of a second is needed with the high-beams activated in order to flick the
relay)

There are LED "blanks" in the existing instrument cluster which hopefully
will be easy to adapt an additional LED for the timer status indicator,
much like the yellow glow plug status LED.

The one downside I could see is if the engine oil pressure suddenly becomes
zero for whatever reason (say you happen to run completely out of motor oil
and need to shut her down---quick!) and if you have happened to just switch
on your high beams thus triggering the circuit... well, it might be a while
before you can get to shutting it down. But my thoughts are that it is
unlikely that both these conditions occur. But if it does- I'll probably
be yanking the relay from that fuse box with superhuman speed and agility!

BTW, I've heard it is an offense in some cities to leave your vehicle
idling unattended. I think this could be fun. Say a police officer is
writing a ticket for an idling vehicle he sees which is unattended, and
before he can finish with the ticket it turns itself off Might be good for
some strange looks too! ;-)


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and the rest of the thread from the old forum is at...
http://www.hostboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4037&t=141

Reply #1June 23, 2004, 03:44:00 pm

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2004, 03:44:00 pm »
now...I know I'm no electrical pro...but what type of electrical feedback do you get when you activate the system as you're driving at night and use your high beams?

Also, could you take some pics of your setup?  I would love to put one on the Caddy once it's going again.

Mikey

Reply #2June 23, 2004, 03:47:20 pm

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2004, 03:47:20 pm »
While I think this is a good idea, a lot of the Powerstroke guys use a system tied into EGTs so the engine isn't idling longer than necessary.

Dropout

Reply #3June 23, 2004, 04:09:10 pm

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2004, 04:09:10 pm »
i thought about that... but without an EGT gauge (right now) and the availability of parts (have a spare relay) i figure why not. working on it right now actually..

Reply #4June 23, 2004, 09:12:19 pm

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2004, 09:12:19 pm »
Quote from: "Mikeyworks"
now...I know I'm no electrical pro...but what type of electrical feedback do you get when you activate the system as you're driving at night and use your high beams?


Just like a quick "flick" of the high beams, pulling back all the way on the high beam switch so it toggles on/off the highbeams (with lights on or off) also activates the turbo timer.  It is harmless though - if you don't switch the ignition off after it's cycle completes (approx 1 minute) the engine keeps running, but the turbo timer cycle just completes, and it becomes ready to be activated another time.

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Also, could you take some pics of your setup?  I would love to put one on the Caddy once it's going again.

Mikey


I don't have any pics, but it is nothing special to look at.  Imagine what a glow plug relay looks like - usually snapped into the top of the fuse box, and my turbo timer just looks like another one of those.
Jake Russell
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Reply #5June 24, 2004, 12:47:37 pm

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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2004, 12:47:37 pm »
i got sidetracked last night on a parts run (ended up at the bar  :lol: ) but i plan to finish the timer tonight if time allows and i'll snap some pics... like jake said though, nothing too special to look at. a slow glow relay, some wires and diodes.. and for mine i'm going to run it off a dedicated switch instead of the high beam switch.

Reply #6June 24, 2004, 01:23:24 pm

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2004, 01:23:24 pm »
Why not swap out your turn signal stalk for one with cruise?  That's what I did - now I have three stock switches - the momentary set button (which I was going to use as a turbo timer activator) the cruise on switch - which I use to control my low speed fan (indicator light is the upshift light) and the momentary "resume" button, which I was going to use for an intercooler mister, if I ever got that far... :)

Drew

Reply #7June 24, 2004, 02:22:22 pm

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2004, 02:22:22 pm »
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which I was going to use for an intercooler mister, if I ever got that far...


You're going to mist with isopropanol or other evaporative liquid for higher effectiveness, right....or are you going environmentally friendly and using H2O?

Mikey

Reply #8June 24, 2004, 03:43:50 pm

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2004, 03:43:50 pm »
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You're going to mist with isopropanol or other evaporative liquid for higher effectiveness, right....or are you going environmentally friendly and using H2O?

Mikey


I dunno - I haven't gotten that far yet... :)

I was thinking maybe windshield washer fluid - if I ever get my airbox relocated, then I can mount the factory washer tank that goes along with the headlight squirters on my Eruo bumper.  The pump is about the size of a fuel pump - looks perfect for an intercooler mister... :)

Reply #9June 25, 2004, 05:43:04 am

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2004, 05:43:04 am »
i have a stalk from a newer audi that i was thinking about using... but i don't know for sure if its working properly... i wonder if it would bolt up to the mkI steering column... havent tried it yet.

Reply #10June 25, 2004, 05:58:10 am

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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2004, 05:58:10 am »
Quote from: "BlackTieTD"
i have a stalk from a newer audi that i was thinking about using... but i don't know for sure if its working properly... i wonder if it would bolt up to the mkI steering column... havent tried it yet.


It's not likely to fit, but you can drop in any A1 or A2 up to 89.5/90.   If you want one, let me know, I have a few early A2 ones.  I'm runnning the fat square stalks from an 88 Jetta in my Scirocco - they work wonderfully well with the Momo wheel.

Drew

Reply #11June 25, 2004, 06:49:49 am

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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2004, 06:49:49 am »
i have a '90 Jetta shell sitting around, and an '89 as well i may come to own... i'll check those out before i take you up on that drew. thanks  :)

Reply #12July 29, 2004, 08:41:52 am

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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2004, 08:41:52 am »
jake... what would happen if i put a simple mechanical (spring loaded) countdown timer as the switch?

the counter is set to say... 2 minutes, counts down... and unless i'm wrong... once the mechanical timer's power shuts off, thats when the relay would start counting down from ~1 minute.

sound correct?

~1 minute doesn't seem long enough to me for a turbo timer... i bought a 12v timer off of ebay.. but i'd still like to include the glow plug relay in the circuit in case the cheap timer i bought craps out... at least then the car will run for minimum 1 minute.

Reply #13July 29, 2004, 11:37:31 am

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2004, 11:37:31 am »
Just use the mechanical timer then.  Normally, due to the low EGTs our engines have, turbo timing is largely not necessary.  Even so, 15-30 seconds is usually more than enough for a gas or diesel engine.

Reply #14July 29, 2004, 11:46:37 am

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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2004, 11:46:37 am »
http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/whytimer.htm  :?


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A good rule is MINIMUM 3 minutes! Remember, you can get the turbo hotter when driven hard in 3 minutes than a long freeway trip for hours! Its all related to boost and time on boost.