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Reply #105April 06, 2010, 07:11:27 pm

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Re: New Pre Chambers Available?
« Reply #105 on: April 06, 2010, 07:11:27 pm »
true, I have looked for some ceramics and found little help for the individual user.

that and apparently the only reason the ceramic piston top worked on the izuzu is because they had a cast iron piston.
the cast iron had a close enough coefficient of expansion to the ceramic to be bonded and not come loose/crack

if ceramic was bonded/cast into an aluminum piston it would just come free/break up on the first heat cycle...

oh well, it was worth a thought anyway...
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Reply #106April 06, 2010, 07:11:38 pm

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« Reply #106 on: April 06, 2010, 07:11:38 pm »
I might be in for trying a bunch of ceramic stuff, IF you can convince me it's the right ceramic, and it's affordable.  I know the compounds are available, it has been done.  F1 engines make extensive use of the stuff.  Actually, stuffs, because they use a different ceramic for each type of component.  Also, way back about 1989, honda built a mostly ceramic ,750cc i think, bike engine that spun 23000 rpm and was near the automotive goal of adiabatic (not true adiabatic, as in no lost heat, but as in no cooling needed).  It used really neat rectangular pistons with rounded corners.
I have neither the time nor the inclination to go track down the ceramics myself right now, but if you seriously need a hand in finding the right compounds, ping me in a couple days, and I may at least be able to get you a couple pointers to get you started.  The greatest difficulty will be in getting any of the suppliers to give you the time of day, as it is a big dollar niche market, with application engineers on standby to help any customer with a need/project for the materials, as long as the need is accompanied by a six or seven figure $ demand.

Yeah, it was a great idea, but the problem with a ceramic engine is every part it custom made - no mass production. Also, they don't take kindly to blunt force...  That's why jet engines still rely on NiCrCo alloys - they can take a beating without shattering save for a flock of 20 pound geese.

Reply #107April 07, 2010, 05:20:17 pm

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Re: New Pre Chambers Available?
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2010, 05:20:17 pm »
save for a flock of geese.... LOL ::) ;D I am not looking to build a jet engine here, just some replacement prechambers that will be affordable and efficient.  I do not think that there will be any blunt force, as there shouldn't be and contact with the piston.  I am thinking of using a protruding pin design to allow for the precups to stay in place.  The pin will be pushed into the head via a small hole drilled into the head and precup to hold it in place and prevent it from moving/falling into the combustion chamber.  It will likely have a handle or something to allow for easy removal, for head rebuilding puposes.
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Reply #108April 07, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

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« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2010, 05:25:36 pm »
I will argue that they should be a press in interference fit, just like the stock ones...
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Reply #109April 07, 2010, 05:33:00 pm

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« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2010, 05:33:00 pm »
The problem is that the ceramic design comes from toyota, and they used cast iron heads, not aluminum.  The worry is that they may fall out because of the metal/aluminum expansion.  Since I cannot predict this, I want to be safe rather than sorry, I am the kinda guy that likes to have a contingency plan.
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Reply #110April 07, 2010, 08:58:51 pm

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« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2010, 08:58:51 pm »
There's a pretty hard explosion inside the precup and it all has to get out through the little hole.
So if the cup isn't tight in the head it's gonna flop around until it ruins the head or breaks.
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I removed the turbo, made a toilet bowl 2.5" DP, the result....it was deafening. Now it has a homemade muffler up front and a thrush in the rear, the result.....less loud.
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Reply #111April 16, 2010, 09:54:59 am

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Reply #112April 16, 2010, 06:44:08 pm

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« Reply #112 on: April 16, 2010, 06:44:08 pm »
woo hoo! solution :D a big thanks from me.
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you know, decarbonated beer is a better coolant than the stuff you buy at the auto store, and is better for you...... really
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