1.6TD oil pump upgrade/ oil baffle/windage tray more power??

[n_tensetuning]

hey guys,

just wondering if anyone was running a different oil pump for more pressure??

also while on this topic....   many gas vw motors (4cyl) benefit from using the oil baffle/windage tray off the 94+++ golf/jetta III 2.0 8v aba's

(keeps oil from splashing on the crank) thus ...more power


anyone see this benefitting diesels as well?


david

[QuickTD]

High volume oil pumps cost power, sometimes large amounts. I read somewhere that a high volume pump fitted to a dodge 2.2 turbo will take 14 extra horsepower to drive it at 7000rpm!

10-15 psi at idle and 30-35 psi at 2000rpm is plenty of oil pressure. The windage tray is not a bad idea though, especially if you plan on governor mods. High rpm tends to foam the oil. 1.9TD's come with the windage tray from the factory. The tray is also handy because it replaces the gasket and has a rubber seal so it's reusable.

[neich]

10-15 psi at idle and 30-35 psi at 2000rpm is plenty of oil pressure.

I am getting 5-10 psi at idle and 30 at 3000rpm. Is this low ? I don't tthink that I can trust the gauge since the oil temp always gives 10 degrees more !! Is there any trustable way to tes oil presure ?

Thanks
Nacho

[QuickTD]

The spec is 2 bar (~29psi) @ 2000rpm @ an oil temperature of 80ºC. This measurement is taken at the oil filter bracket NOT at the head. Oil temperature makes a big difference. I would assume the use of 5w/10w/15w40 oil for this test as thats what the manual recommends.

[fspGTD]

Yes, the windage tray does help with power by a little bit on a diesel.    It bolts right on, but you may need to remove your oil pump to get it to fit around the oil pickup.  It replaces the stock oil pan gasket.  Be careful about stripping the oil pan bolts where the go into the soft aluminum on the ends of the block.  I ended up drilling, tapping, and installing time sert bushings in all the aluminum threads there so I woulnd't have any stripping problems.  The torque specs for those little bolts is awfully high!

[DieselsRcool]

Like jake said, the torque specs for the "special" pan bolts seems way high. If you try to torque the end bolts that go into the aluminum to spec they will strip. I just torque the ones going into the steel block to spec and the ones to aluminum by feel. (I'm guessing 60% of spec). I've had no leaks since using this method. As the bently says, re torque after 15min.

Sorry for the of topic post. :oops:

[RevelationX]

The spec is 2 bar (~29psi) @ 2000rpm @ an oil temperature of 80ºC. This measurement is taken at the oil filter bracket NOT at the head. Oil temperature makes a big difference. I would assume the use of 5w/10w/15w40 oil for this test as thats what the manual recommends.

How much of a differance does it make if you are pulling a reading at the head? I'm bumping 80-90 psi cold and 25 hot idle mech. sunpro gauge.

I'm worried now that I need to swap it to the filter bracket and hope I
m normal.

Keith

[fspGTD]

Stock VW oil pressure gauges read at the head.  I get about 1.8 bar at the head on a hot idle (at about 950-1000rpms.)  It's well above the minimum spec of 2 bar at 2000rpm.  This is on an '84, Solid lifter, CY engine code 1.6lTD.

[andy2]

so is the 1.9 windage tray/gasket a direct fit on the 1.6.Thanks

[fspGTD]

The one I used is spec'ed for a VW 16v motor, I'm pretty sure.  I don't know about the 1.9lTD setup.

[type53b_gtd]

so is the 1.9 windage tray/gasket a direct fit on the 1.6.Thanks

Yes.  The later motors with neoprene gaskets/windage trays use slightly longer oil pan bolts (17mm vs 14mm) due to the small anti-crush bushings integrated in the thicker gasket.  I installed the 1.9 gasket/tray on my 1.6 hydro and did not have any issues with the shorter bolts however.

Drew

[n_tensetuning]

hey guys,

i just finished installing the oil windage tray/baffle.

i had to bend the dipstick tube slightly to get the windage tray/baffle to perfectly fit..... but it's in there.

i noticed a good increase in high speed and torque


by the way.... here is the part#   037 115 220 b       this windage tray is off the 94-99 golf/jetta aba 2.0 8v   and   2000+ tdi    $91.57 list from the local VW (s)tealer!!!!!!!!!!

*****p/s  also noticed the oil temp went down a little

i'll post more as i drive it more


david

[1985JettaTD]

will  this baffle\tray help with low end power? i am looking for a lot more low end power, is this something that will help me? if i do put this baffle on should i have an oil pres. and temp. gauge. i have an a2 Jetta and it didnt come stock with one. many thanks!

[type53b_gtd]

hey guys,

by the way.... here is the part#   037 115 220 b       this windage tray is off the 94-99 golf/jetta aba 2.0 8v   and   2000+ tdi    $91.57 list from the local VW (s)tealer!!!!!!!!!!

david

The same part is used on the AAZ (1.9 IDI TD) engine.  North of the border it can be had for around $65 CDN from your favourite non-dealer supplier of VW parts.

Drew

[andy2]

could It be possible that this tray could reduse oil consumption in tearms of less oil on the cylinder walls, the reason I'm bringing this up is that my engine uses oil and I'm pretty sure its oil scraper ring related, when the oil is at the full mark it just burns it and then just above the add mark on the dipstick the oil useage/blue smoke really cuts back,So with less oil splashing on the walls this tray might help confirm what is happening,any thoughts Thanks.