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#15
by
monomer
on 22 Aug, 2008 14:00
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Drop $8000 into your 1.6l and i bet it sings a pretty little number too!!!
:twisted:
the car as it sits has that much parts and work in it....
almost
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#16
by
jimfoo
on 22 Aug, 2008 14:01
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I believe Jake, FSPGTD, was making 250+HP if I remember right, but he never found a way to keep the head sealed as it kept lifting at those pressures. I think he tried o-ringing it, copper gaskets, the works at one point or another.
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#17
by
monomer
on 22 Aug, 2008 14:24
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I believe Jake, FSPGTD, was making 250+HP if I remember right, but he never found a way to keep the head sealed as it kept lifting at those pressures. I think he tried o-ringing it, copper gaskets, the works at one point or another.
I wish he would chime in.
any links for this build?
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#18
by
jimfoo
on 22 Aug, 2008 14:45
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You'd have to search his username. He hasn't been on in quite a while
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#19
by
Jet A
on 22 Aug, 2008 15:57
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Drop $8000 into your 1.6l and i bet it sings a pretty little number too!!!
:twisted:
the car as it sits has that much parts and work in it....
almost
I was talking straight motor, and machining time. No labor.
Sounds like a badass ride deserving of 200+hp
Got any pics?
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#20
by
Smokey Eddy
on 22 Aug, 2008 18:05
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this is border line lunacy.
I'm struggling to get my IP retimed let a lone 250+ hp. What do you plan to do with that?
I'd suggest not running the motor "upped" at all until you get bigger exhaust + EGT. It's not uncommon to accidentally cook your head and turbo (as im sure you've been told) because of a little extra fuel/boost. I almost did and i haven't done any mods really. Just wastegate/blow off valve + fuel screw/boost pin/govenor mod
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#21
by
monomer
on 23 Aug, 2008 03:27
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this is border line lunacy.
I'm struggling to get my IP retimed let a lone 250+ hp. What do you plan to do with that?
I'd suggest not running the motor "upped" at all until you get bigger exhaust + EGT. It's not uncommon to accidentally cook your head and turbo (as im sure you've been told) because of a little extra fuel/boost. I almost did and i haven't done any mods really. Just wastegate/blow off valve + fuel screw/boost pin/govenor mod
autocross/road racing.
I'm over building EVERYTHING in hope to keep it togeather.
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#22
by
Jet A
on 24 Aug, 2008 22:32
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W/ 250 hp, its not just the motor your going to have to worry about. your gunna need motor mounts, at least some good new ones. and possible something to keep the motor from torquing hard and tearing itself around.
I would say the three largest problems will be stock cooling system, stock oiling system and EGT's
How are you doing your fueling system? bigger ip i assume? bigger head?
Will our pumps even support than kind of HP?
What did you ever decide to do on the pistons. I should have mine back end of these weeks, I will be sure to report my findings of quality.
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#23
by
arb
on 25 Aug, 2008 05:43
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a stock 5.9 turbo ? Are you sure you'll have enough volume from the 1.9L to spool it up? I would think you'd need to put a smaller hot section on it.
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#24
by
Pat Dolan
on 25 Aug, 2008 06:50
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Ditto on the 5.9 turbo. You will have so little gas volume that you might have trouble "getting it up" (so to speak), but in no undertain terms, you will have lag that makes it pretty much useless for autoslalom competition. Also, the 020 will not live at those torque levels.
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#25
by
monomer
on 25 Aug, 2008 13:18
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W/ 250 hp, its not just the motor your going to have to worry about. your gunna need motor mounts, at least some good new ones. and possible something to keep the motor from torquing hard and tearing itself around.
I would say the three largest problems will be stock cooling system, stock oiling system and EGT's
How are you doing your fueling system? bigger ip i assume? bigger head?
Will our pumps even support than kind of HP?
What did you ever decide to do on the pistons. I should have mine back end of these weeks, I will be sure to report my findings of quality.
-Oil cooler will come off of a Mercedes 300D
-Stock fan system will be replaced completely, Radiator should be good enough.
-Giles pump and injectors
-Delron Bushings (I can turn them myself) along with delron shifter bushings aswell
1.9L head (port/polished) stock turbo exhaust manifold and gasser intake will be used (until I have funds for sheet metal intake and equal length exhaust with cutoff.)
The turbo is a VNT. I may go with a smaller one - depends on availability. TiAl 38mm Wastegate will be used to limit boost. VNT will have a pressure-wastegate setup. VDO EGT probe and gauge, aswell as a 4bar boost gauge (and then oil pressure/temp, and coolant temp)
I'm still looking for a local shop to do the pistons. I'm going to wait until the head gets here, maybe I'll coat everything and be done with it.
If this car wasnt in such nice, rust-free condition, I would have never done all of this. It's a cali car, garaged for 10 years here in MI (honestly, I've never seen another one like it here) engine needed to be rebuilt, so these are all "while I'm here" add-ons....
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#26
by
Pat Dolan
on 26 Aug, 2008 06:12
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I have seen literally melted all four ALH TDI pistons on an engine I built last year (the owner's kid drove the crap out of it before we even had a chance to dial in ANYTHING after initial startup). Believe me, the coatings can't hurt (we are using SwainTech now for the crowns, of course, the stock skirt coatings on PD 150 slugs). If you go anywhere NEAR what you want for power, you will be thermally loading the crown and rings to something near their limit. You might also consider a bigger oil pump and piston cooling nozzles (which is why we have the PD150 pistons...internal oil cooling passages for the piston crown).
You might also re-think the VDO EGT choice. We were anything but impressed with VDO accuracy and response time, and have gone on to much better things (Doniol custom in-cluster gauge & 52mm McNally production stuff).
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#27
by
monomer
on 26 Aug, 2008 13:58
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I have seen literally melted all four ALH TDI pistons on an engine I built last year (the owner's kid drove the crap out of it before we even had a chance to dial in ANYTHING after initial startup). Believe me, the coatings can't hurt (we are using SwainTech now for the crowns, of course, the stock skirt coatings on PD 150 slugs). If you go anywhere NEAR what you want for power, you will be thermally loading the crown and rings to something near their limit. You might also consider a bigger oil pump and piston cooling nozzles (which is why we have the PD150 pistons...internal oil cooling passages for the piston crown).
You might also re-think the VDO EGT choice. We were anything but impressed with VDO accuracy and response time, and have gone on to much better things (Doniol custom in-cluster gauge & 52mm McNally production stuff).
it is getting oil squirters, newer (high-flow) oil pump.
I'll shop around for the gauges, not important as of yet.
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#28
by
burnt_servo
on 26 Aug, 2008 14:19
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off the top of my head ... 250hp ........
!!!??!!
the tranny is reliable up to around 150 hp .
the rad alone will have to be at least 3 to 4 times bigger than the stock rad .
the lsit of things that would need to be reengineered is almost endless , if 250 hp was possible for more than a few moments .
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#29
by
monomer
on 26 Aug, 2008 14:23
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off the top of my head ... 250hp ........ !!!??!!
the tranny is reliable up to around 150 hp .
the rad alone will have to be at least 3 to 4 times bigger than the stock rad .
the lsit of things that would need to be reengineered is almost endless , if 250 hp was possible for more than a few moments .
250 is doable. I'm gonna go for atleast 150 this season.
anyone have the thread with the oil squirters bookmarked? I need the part #'s and cant find the thread...