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Reply #15November 04, 2007, 01:39:40 am

Tiz

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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2007, 01:39:40 am »
ah, now i understand. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me. Its definately a lot more complicated to build an mTDi pump than i thought.


Another possibly silly question. What part is the control lever? Would it be possible to swap the rest of the TDi pump internals and would that work correctly? or do i need to find parts from a different mechanical Di pump?
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Reply #16November 04, 2007, 01:43:28 am

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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2007, 01:43:28 am »
What would be the result of me fitting a idi camplate? would the issue be fixed or would i be really lacking in power then?


Once i get this timing issue sorted am i looking at stock TDi power or more or  less?

also i fear the cam may have slipped when i was removing the pump so are there any baseline seetings for everything, IE if i set the crank to TDC are there any marks that i can align the cam and pump to so i know they are in their correct positions...


Again thanks for taking the time to explain this to a newbie.
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Reply #17November 04, 2007, 06:07:40 am

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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2007, 06:07:40 am »
As Martin mentioned...installing the IDI camplate with a 12mm head will bring the motor up close to stock TDI power (but with more smoke as Martin mentioned)...but it is not a fix all. To address the problem properly, the pump and its internal pumps should be setup for a DI engine.

As for which part the control lever is...



I'd suggest maybe looking into someone to help you in building this pump, especially if you aren't familar with the internals of the pumps themselves. You def. want to be familar with the internals of the pump.    It depends on your comfort level though.


On the timing of the motor itself. Honestly, unless you have ALOT of experience and are super precise, I can't think of good honest ways to time the motor (that I'd feel secure with) without tools.
There are a couple reference marks. For one...you set TDC using the flywheel pointer...align that to the reference mark in the tranny bellhousing...
The camshaft SHOULD get locked into position at TDC...in this position the cam lobes on cylinder 1 are both pointed up. Then a locking plate (which can be simply made from some steel bar stock) is inserted in the end of the cam...if you have the valve cover off, you can easily see where this sits.
The IP pump, especially if you are using an old IDI pump and sprocket also has reference parts. At TDC you align the small slot of the sprocket on the back to the reference notch on the front body of the injection pump
I can't find a good picture of that right now...
From there, you can then use a DEEP WELL 13mm socket (or there is a special tool) to lock the injection pump in place.

At that point, the engine would be ready to set and tension the timing belt (the brief version), the biggest thing to worry about is when tensioning the belt about the crankshaft moving and setting you off a notch or so...which is easy to do. If you don't have the tooling to keep the other things in check (and time) then you have 3 things to worry about moving.
After that, you can then walk through doing the actually setting of the injection pump timing via the use the the dial indicator in the back of the pump and rotating the injection pump body relative to what the gauge says you need (AFTER being set to those initial timing marks above).
Rotating the injection pump itself  as an entire assembly (with loose timing belt)  is not the way to go and is just asking for trouble in the end.

I'd suggest a set of timing tools...they aren't too expensive and the need to have the bentley next to you...which does walk you quite nicely through the process. Its alot better than a toasted motor in the end to be perfectly honest.

Joe
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2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )

Reply #18November 04, 2007, 06:33:16 am

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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2007, 06:33:16 am »
What IP pully are you using?  The IDI or TDI
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Reply #19November 04, 2007, 06:43:40 am

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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2007, 06:43:40 am »
Justin,

I'm going to assume that he is using the IDI pump pulley at the moment. Almost would have to be.  

The TDI one will not fit the old IDI pumps....it is larger do to the 17mm shaft of the IDI pumps compared to the 20mm shaft of the TDI pumps (and most DI pumps for that matter).

Joe
1979 Rabbit mTDI crazy $*(\%& bunny...
1972 VW Westfalia
2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )

Reply #20November 04, 2007, 11:03:17 am

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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2007, 11:03:17 am »
You can use a 1.6 ford escort,fes,orin,  bosch pump its got the big shaft and mod that with the tdi stuff etc
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Reply #21November 04, 2007, 01:04:50 pm

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2007, 01:04:50 pm »
Yeap, on that side of the pond...thats a nice option...in the U.S. here we are pretty limited. Most straight forward would be a DI specific pump ...



Joe
1979 Rabbit mTDI crazy $*(\%& bunny...
1972 VW Westfalia
2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )

Reply #22November 04, 2007, 05:16:45 pm

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2007, 05:16:45 pm »
also the austin montgo  perkins prima pump it has a 11mm head as std , i had one on a 1z and it pulles beter than the fly by wire ( cam plate is a bit difrant to the vw tdi bit still workes ok that is what i have in my mk2 at the mo and it shreds tyres with .216 nozzles fitted )
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Reply #23November 04, 2007, 05:50:43 pm

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« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2007, 05:50:43 pm »
sounds good....

Again...options... :)
1979 Rabbit mTDI crazy $*(\%& bunny...
1972 VW Westfalia
2009 VW Tiguan SE 2.0T (Wife's car)
2001 Audi TT 225 Quattro Roadster (something newer :) )