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#30
by
stewardc
on 08 Aug, 2007 06:03
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I guess it just boiles down to the fact that we all have a choice, and it's great that there is a resource like Giles out there.
Garry
Thus sayeth the Darthness. Amen and amen !
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#31
by
gilligan5000
on 08 Aug, 2007 10:52
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Wow, this thread took off! I had no idea everything was so closely guarded! I can totally see where each and every person is coming from, both sides. I guess the shadytree DIY'er can still governor mod and play with the smoke screw a little, but from the sound of it the hard core perfectionists/racers should leave it up to Giles. I'm sure there is a different point in everyones engine building career when they will step up to it, and be able to justify it to themselves.
So . . . what exactly do you get? And what do you have to supply?
Timing pully, piston, etc. and is there a beautification option? some nice black powdercoat of anything?
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#32
by
stewardc
on 08 Aug, 2007 11:57
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You supply a pump and engine specs and you get back a fully rebuilt performance pump like this.
Then you paint it like this.
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#33
by
saurkraut
on 08 Aug, 2007 12:05
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I guess I'm one of the malcontents that expects a layman's explaination from him as to what he is doing.
like i said earlier, i've adjusted my pump, my car goes like a scalded cat, and there is still room in the pump fueling wise. I kept notes on what I did, I went in small incriments, I verified changes through road testing. I think I can come pritty close to putting it back the way it was if I had to. I can, and have embarased alot of larger engine vehicles on the street. I have a stock 16valve, and the diesel will kick its butt.
What is detailed so far in this post is 1,000,000 times more than what Giles has put forth.
Yah, he is a technically oriented person, but I want some salesmanship that explaines what he is doing with out releasing proprietary information.
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#34
by
BlackTieTD
on 08 Aug, 2007 12:07
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i don't think he owes that to you. if you don't want to buy one, don't. i know where i'll be going for my pump rebuild. i'd have done it already but i don't have the spare change....for the work and speeding tickets.
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#35
by
saurkraut
on 08 Aug, 2007 12:09
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Cool, heck of a way to run a business though..
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#36
by
BlackTieTD
on 08 Aug, 2007 12:10
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i believe the majority (or all) of his customers are happy. i wish more people would run their businesses on that principle.
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#37
by
stewardc
on 08 Aug, 2007 12:13
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i don't think he owes that to you. if you don't want to buy one, don't.
Great statement.
If you want to tinker, do it....just don't *** about those of us that want something professionally done. I don't care what he did, because the end result shows that he knows his business.
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#38
by
subsonic
on 08 Aug, 2007 13:16
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Have you asked him for a layman's term discription of what he does?
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#39
by
stewardc
on 08 Aug, 2007 13:29
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Have you asked him for a layman's term discription of what he does?
Nope.
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#40
by
larry104
on 08 Aug, 2007 13:54
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I think what is in question here is called a trade secret. It’s one thing to share knowledge about something you do as a hobby, and another to disclose information that could hurt your livelihood.
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#41
by
foxracer1
on 08 Aug, 2007 14:19
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I feel it is just something simple that anyone one can do themselves IF they have a test bench and some "seat time". I wish he would tell us what he does also but if your making the money by not telling it'd be hard to let off the secrect.
I feel its has to do with timming alot. We can all crank the fuel up to where it smokes beyond belief. But knowing when to inject all that fuel is key. "life is all about timming" Look at the new electronic diesels. Low smoke but greater output on what i feel is cat piss fuel(USLD) :evil: .
I feel you have the right to buy a pump from him and go explore. But how many people are going to tear open their brand spankin new hot rod diesel injection pump?
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#42
by
punkvideo81
on 08 Aug, 2007 20:31
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When I emailed Giles, he wrote back. When I called him with questions about installation, he answered (on the first call) and helped me out. I have had a good experience dealing with Giles. As for price, my friend the engine builder once said "Fast? I can make it go fast - how much do you want to spend?" and that is what it comes down to a lot of the time. I just got my boost gauge in the mail, and I can't wait to install it & get that turbo up to 20psi so I can really let this Giles pump sing! :twisted:
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#43
by
bigblockchev
on 08 Aug, 2007 21:53
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Giles quoted me $950 to do a performance rebuild on my AAZ pump in my 93 Passat. I have a receipt for a std ip pump by someone local rebuild that was put into my other car a 93 jetta also with a AAZ. The receipt is for $1025 , so for less money they could have gotten a more professional job. If one wants to tear into their IP to see if they can figure out all the performance refinements that Giles does then have at it. I don't consider his prices out of line. Experience is expensive especially when working on something as picky as injection pumps. Cheers Dan
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#44
by
745 turbogreasel
on 08 Aug, 2007 22:57
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I see it like this:
A fresh pump costs $700, and anytime you can get 30-50% more power for $250, tats a deal.
If you go to youtube, and watch diesel drag videos,, there are a lot of wicked fast trucks out there. Most of em blow a huge soot cloud all the way down the track.
Most of the ones that are a few tenths faster make a puff of soot spooling up, then just a dark haze going down the track. Refined vs unrefined.
Its easy to make a VW faster, but the refined product will make it more faster with less loss of reliability and downtime.