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1.6TD copper head gasket
by
zooky
on 05 Aug, 2006 07:38
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I found a guy that can make copper head gaskets for the 1.6TD, they would be as good as or better than the 1.9 metal ones. There is a $40 set-up fee to get the pattern in the computer then they can be produced. Is there any vendors here that would be willing to stock these? Is there any interest in these? Here is his URL:
http://www.headgasket.com (Gasket Works USA, LLC)
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#1
by
zooky
on 05 Aug, 2006 08:33
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yes, I sent him my old 1.6 mechanical gasket and he said he could duplicate it. I am sure he could also add those water jacket holes that have been discussed previously
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#2
by
Benjamin
on 05 Aug, 2006 09:30
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just for information, how much boost (turbopressure) can a copper headgasket hold?
Greetz, Benjamin
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#3
by
jtanguay
on 05 Aug, 2006 09:33
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copper is an excellent gasket material. It should be able to give a really good seal, better than the 1.9 metal HG.
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#4
by
Benjamin
on 05 Aug, 2006 09:57
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i ever learned at school copper gaskets can re-used (by heating and make it cold by putting it in water), are those heagaskets also able to re-used?
Greetz, Benjamin
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#5
by
DVST8R
on 05 Aug, 2006 10:39
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I talked with them, the better part of 4years ago about the same thing, Because of the costs of setup and my time frame I decided to go the 1.9HG route. I'm glad I did, as even with head bolts a 1.9hg with eldelbrock gasket goup and a good flat head and block I have had no problems with a 490psi motor and pushing 40ish psi into it. (I had a boost controller go bad and I was hard into it) To this date the only thing that I have seen that causes these HG's to go bad are:
1. Overheating 50%
2. Inproper Install 25%
3. Non spec flat mating surface on the head or block 25%
With this being said, if you are planing on running 40psi regularly, or have a mech head, the copper gasket is probably the way to go.
Theoreticaly you can re-aneal a copper gasket, but imho, it's a crap shoot and just not worth it.
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#6
by
RabbitJockey
on 05 Aug, 2006 11:12
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if someone like say passenger performance made them available, i'd blow my headgasket on purpose just to have an excuse to put one of these on haha.
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#7
by
zooky
on 05 Aug, 2006 11:18
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setup is $40 and $104 to produce it, thats for a one-off. If one of the vendors (or a group buy) were to order a few, the setup cost could be shared and the production should be cheaper
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#8
by
MaxHedrm
on 05 Aug, 2006 11:37
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What about the varying thicknesses? Would he just go with the thickest, or would there be options?[/url]
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#9
by
DVST8R
on 05 Aug, 2006 12:18
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$144USD for a one off, or like $22CDN for a 1.9 :?
As far as verying thickness the vendor should offer the 1, 2 , or 3 hole thickness's. Though I have run a 3 hole on a 1 hole spec motor and didn't notice much of a differance (mostly just in starting it) The problem with verying the thickness too much is that you start to play with the squish area and that is just a whole nother barrell of monkeys.
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#10
by
zooky
on 05 Aug, 2006 12:33
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how do you modify the 1.9 HG?
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#11
by
Master ACiD
on 05 Aug, 2006 12:52
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these engines have a funny squish. the angle is basically zero. on most engines the squish has an angle. that is, the squish gap gets bigger the closer you get to the centre of the piston.
i wonder if a custom set of pistons which have a proper squish geometry and a hemisperical dome cut into the middle of the piston top would be beneficial. i dont know if theres enough room to work with though, sence idi needs such high compression to start. maybe if proper squish pistons were made with the right thickness headgasket then the idi would not need such high compression.
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#12
by
745 turbogreasel
on 05 Aug, 2006 15:15
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Damn, I got played $160 for my last disposable fiber guaranteed to fail gasket....
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#13
by
935racer
on 05 Aug, 2006 16:31
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I actually made a small run (4) of copper headgaskets about 3 months ago from a shop here locally, copper gaskets can be reused, and I could get them in different thicknesses as well. The thing is though, that a 1.9 HG with some goo and even just the stock stretch bolts hold lots of boost, like brett said, his hit 40 psi, and I think he had it set at 35 for daily driving, with the 1.9 gasket and headstuds, I woudl say the seal is good for 50psi+, but this is given that the block and head deck are STRAIGHT! That right there is the #1 reason for HG failure.
SO whos interested?
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#14
by
larry104
on 05 Aug, 2006 19:55
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I have a hydraulic head Ecodiesel and I'm about to remove the head and replace the gasket. It's not blown, but I'm intalled a TD pump and plan to run up the boost and don't want to take any chances. I'll be using stretch bolts. Also, one more question. Where can I get a tool to remove the head bolts? It looks like a Torx, but not quite. Thank you.