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New engine..
by
steevz
on 06 Nov, 2011 23:34
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Okay, so I went and bought another 1.6d for my Vanagon. It is engine code CR and the Vanagon is CS. Will I be able to swap the whatever I need right over? Manifolds, oil pan, mounts?
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#1
by
Toby
on 07 Nov, 2011 09:07
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Why don't you just fix the motor that is in it? You are on the way to building a trap for yourself that you may not be able to get out of. If you do not have the skills to get the cam gear off what makes you think you will have better luck with swapping all of the parts between engines?
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#2
by
steevz
on 07 Nov, 2011 11:27
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The motor that is in it was blowing lots and blue smoke.. It seemed whiteish at first.. but lots and lots of blue smoke. If the timing can do that.. I'm thinking it might be shot.. I was going to just swap the cams first then time everything.. but I was thinking it might just be easier to swap the whole engine.
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#3
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 07 Nov, 2011 11:50
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The motor that is in it was blowing lots and blue smoke.. It seemed whiteish at first.. but lots and lots of blue smoke. If the timing can do that.. I'm thinking it might be shot.. I was going to just swap the cams first then time everything.. but I was thinking it might just be easier to swap the whole engine.
why not just advance the timing on the one in there? white/blue smoke is a classic indicator of retarded timing..
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#4
by
steevz
on 07 Nov, 2011 12:00
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Sounds good.. the timing between #1TDC and Flywheel TDC is off quite abit. Just was having trouble with the cam. Atleast I can swap the cams if I broke the other one too bad, and I have a low km 1.6 for another project.
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#5
by
RadoTD
on 07 Nov, 2011 19:42
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Sounds good.. the timing between #1TDC and Flywheel TDC is off quite abit.
Errr... that's tough to do. Not trying to be an ass, but slow down for a bit. Unless your flywheel is somehow on wrong, which isn't exactly an easy feat, flywheel TDC = #1TDC. Then cam slot is the cam's TDC and shoving an appropriate sized socket in the right hole (hehe) is your pump's TDC.
That, plus if your timing of any of those three is off, your engine will run like a bag of soggy pickles. And I hate soggy pickles
Do you have a Bentley manual and where in BC are you located?
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#6
by
Toby
on 08 Nov, 2011 00:22
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I think by "TDC #1" he means the cam timing.
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#7
by
steevz
on 08 Nov, 2011 01:31
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Yeah, Toby's got it. I ment #1 cylinder tdc. Cam tdc.
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#8
by
8v-of-fury
on 08 Nov, 2011 04:36
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It is not possible to have the timing between cam and crank off.. I mean its possible.. but not easily achieved unless you don't know what you're doing.
There is a lock on the cam, and then a mark on the flywheel. Lock it and then line it up.. and they are now perfectly timed. Where are you having troubles with this?
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#9
by
steevz
on 08 Nov, 2011 10:24
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When I got the van the timing was off. I turned the flywheel to TDC, then can to rotate the cam lobe with a cresent wrench back to line up the cam lock plate at tdc. So, they were just not aligned.. and I had trouble getting the cam out of the sprocket and broke it. Anyways, picking up a new cam today. The timing belt is extremely loose and I think the timing belt jumped a tooth on the previous owner.
Edit: This has gotten way off topic. I was asking how to go about prepping an engine that has been sitting whole for roughly 7 years to be run again. 1.6 NA Diesel. Was left with fluids inside.
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#10
by
8v-of-fury
on 08 Nov, 2011 12:28
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Blocks are identical. Everything will swap right over, and be a bolt on affair.
Will you be using your own injection pump and injectors?
Unless the engine sat without manifolds.. I see no reason why you'd need any more than fresh fluids.
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#11
by
CRSMP5
on 08 Nov, 2011 12:59
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i got a idea...
the crank bolt is loose and has eaten away the crank pully... that will allow for that much movement.. and being vanagon diesel.. no way to tighten crank to proper torque when you screw up and loosen it.. one of the reason dasher diesels eat engines..
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#12
by
8v-of-fury
on 08 Nov, 2011 13:26
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How was it accomplished at the factory??
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#13
by
Toby
on 08 Nov, 2011 18:04
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I think he means with the motor in the car.
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#14
by
CRSMP5
on 08 Nov, 2011 19:59
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i have too... but i tend to find lots of vanagon/dasher where someone did the mortal sin of turning the crank backwards via the crank bolt.. breaking it loose in process.. and left loose...
most people use a 1/2" air gun and gun it till tight.. no room on vanagon or dasher for that... most do not have a tool to lock the flywheel in place to "torque wrench" the crank bolt..
rember this is 15-20 years ago.. now they make tools to lock it from the front..
also pre 83 engines are the old key way set up.. not the notch/key built into the crank pully..
so he needs to figure out if its loose.. but after seeing how people beat on cams to pop the gear off... i cannot say even saying look at it will help.. but it is one thing i have not seen anyone discuss in this thread.. and only reason a tdc mark on crank and cam do not line up.. with ability to move... so had to say it..