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Head gasket brand preference?
by
ToddA1
on 01 Aug, 2011 18:34
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Swapping a gasket and I see either Elring Klinger or Victor Rienz, offered. They're about the same price, so I'm just looking for feedback, if there's something about one of them that should steer me away. Both that I see are fiber.
CR block with 11mm bolts being upgraded to studs. It's a 2 notch if that means anything. I've used many of the Victor Rienz in the past, but they were always gassers.
BTW, is there any solvent that'll safely soften all the carbon and crap on the gasket mating surfaces? I used a red and blue Roloc on the block, but I'm not sure if I want to do that to the head.
-Todd
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#1
by
theman53
on 01 Aug, 2011 18:58
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I have used victor rienz and Fel-pro in VW's with good results. Fel-pro on pretty much everything else and have not one complaint.
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#2
by
vanagonturbo
on 01 Aug, 2011 19:33
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Both Elring and Reinz are OEM, so you cant go wrong with either. I would never use Fel-Amateur on anything. I have found it to be inferior.
What exactly are you needing to clean? Just the mating surface? Elbow grease and brake cleaner work well.
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#3
by
ToddA1
on 01 Aug, 2011 19:51
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Both Elring and Reinz are OEM, so you cant go wrong with either.
What exactly are you needing to clean? Just the mating surface? Elbow grease and brake cleaner work well.
That's what I figured, but I wanted to be sure.
Yes, just the mating surfaces. There seems to be a lot of carbon build up, and the stuff was a pain to get off, even with the Rolocs. I've never encountered head bolts so tight, but the threads were packed with carbon, soot, etc.. I had to drill the head off one of the bolts and heat the block to get the remainder out.
Anyone use the Beck Arnley gaskets? Rock Auto is clearing them out for less than $15 each.
-Todd
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#4
by
vanagonturbo
on 01 Aug, 2011 20:04
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Beck Arnley is not an OEM so I wouldnt use it. Considering the PITA that you are experiencing with this gasket change, I wouldnt skimp on the gasket.
Roloc disks arent doing the job? Got a pic? It might be time to surface the head and block..
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#5
by
ToddA1
on 02 Aug, 2011 08:24
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Ordered a Elring this morning.
The Rolocs are doing it, but I was looking for a safer (easier) way to do the head. I spent some time getting the block clean, so I was looking for a way that wouldn't be removing any metal. I plan on using Hylomar, too, but i don't want to take any chances of rounding anything off and causing a leak.
-Todd
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#6
by
R.O.R-2.0
on 02 Aug, 2011 13:20
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I have used victor rienz and Fel-pro in VW's with good results. Fel-pro on pretty much everything else and have not one complaint.
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#7
by
theman53
on 02 Aug, 2011 19:33
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Maybe fel-pro is ameteur but I have had excellent results. My friend who is vw oem part only...uses a fel-pro head gasket in his 12 second GTI. Not saying it is better than the victor or anything, except I wouldn't be scared of a fel-pro. We used them on our 500 horse + SBC circle track engines and can't say we had a failure in 5 years. Those engines didn't always have the rad hoses attached sometimes by the end of the race, so they weren't show queen ran either.
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#8
by
vanagonturbo
on 02 Aug, 2011 19:47
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My point is that off brand products dont work so well on German cars. Felpro makes an oil pan gasket for our cars out of cork, no OEM makes a cork oil pan gasket because they know it will leak. Felpro oil pan gaskets always leak. ALWAYS. This is just a simple example of some of the products that Felfail provides. They might make fine products for Murrican cars, but in my experience, they do not make fine products for German cars. Its just an opinion based on what I have seen during my professional career of fixing German cars
How many times has your buddy changed his headgasket on his 12 second GTI? furthermore, why is he not using an MLS gasket??
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#9
by
theman53
on 02 Aug, 2011 19:56
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Usually he only changes it when he takes the head off. That only happens when he has ported it more, so far anyway.
I haven't used the fel-pro oil pan gasket on our cars, but the victor one in the kit from autohaus is a paper/cork gasket. I use the rubber one from later cars victor reinz, just cause that is what I could get at autohaus when I was buying filters. I am sure fel-pro makes an aba oil pan gasket that is just fine. But I am not going out of my way to buy it.
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#10
by
Vanagoner
on 02 Aug, 2011 20:07
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I have used victor rienz and Fel-pro in VW's with good results. Fel-pro on pretty much everything else and have not one complaint.
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#11
by
vanagonturbo
on 02 Aug, 2011 21:00
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Usually he only changes it when he takes the head off. That only happens when he has ported it more, so far anyway.
I haven't used the fel-pro oil pan gasket on our cars, but the victor one in the kit from autohaus is a paper/cork gasket. I use the rubber one from later cars victor reinz, just cause that is what I could get at autohaus when I was buying filters. I am sure fel-pro makes an aba oil pan gasket that is just fine. But I am not going out of my way to buy it.
paper and cork are not the same. the Felfail is all cork. I can admit I dont get my parts from autohaus, but they get 90% of their parts from the same place I get them. the paper gasket is still far superior to the cork. A fiber gasket is ok, but a an MLS gasket is far better...
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#12
by
Quantum TD
on 03 Aug, 2011 21:14
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Isn't the Fel-Pro one made of cork?
I go Reinz or nein.
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#13
by
JerryGTD
on 04 Aug, 2011 07:14
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I used an Elring head gasket on a solid lifter CY engine on a stock rebuild that lasted 100k miles before the engine was disassembled. The head gasket never leaked.
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#14
by
745 turbogreasel
on 04 Aug, 2011 20:46
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I have used victor rienz and Fel-pro in VW's with good results. Fel-pro on pretty much everything else and have not one complaint.
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