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EG Temperatures?
by
adi
on 26 Mar, 2011 03:59
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I'm looking at getting an EGT guage to tune my GTD, but on ebay there seems to be different ranges of temps. What is the normal maximum EGT I should expect and try and keep it to? And whats the maximum EGT I can have before something goes wrong?
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#1
by
8v-of-fury
on 26 Mar, 2011 06:03
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I think you can sustain 1200F for short lengths.. and can peak at 1400F briefly. I would get a gauge that shows 2-1500F as you want to know the temp for cool-down too. To make sure you dont cook the turbo if its still at 1000F and you shut it down with no more oil circulation.. right? lol
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#2
by
theman53
on 26 Mar, 2011 06:06
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I like something with cool down. 200F to 1600F is plenty. I try never to go over 12-1300F. There are several threads in the general section and FAQ detailing this. Search for aircraft spruce, micro 1000, EGT probe, ETC IIRC the EGT probe you want is the micro 1000 and the gauge I used is a westach 2C2-1
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#3
by
adi
on 26 Mar, 2011 12:15
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So in my language I need 0-1000 degrees C
And when tuning I should try and keep the boost/fuel mixture to keep it at no more than 700 degrees C (or 1300 degrees F)
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#4
by
RabbitJockey
on 26 Mar, 2011 16:38
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yep, i can't remember what brand it is but the gauge i got is nicely color coded from green yellow and red
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#5
by
DieselBalz
on 26 Mar, 2011 19:37
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I just installed mine today, and was coming here to get research that same question. The no more than 1300 for a short time alarms me though cause when I was testing mine after install at WOT, it climbed to 1450. I have the VDO kit.
So since this thread is already off and running, and no one is suggesting the search function, can we get a little more input on this? As in, if I am running up to 1450 peak, do I need to add more fuel, or less?
During a test run, the buddy who helped me put it in (races gassers ICB class SCCA, builds his own race cars) suggested I had more fuel. The Eco diesel I have has the stock exhaust and DP, sans the cat, ECO pump and at WOT is running 10 PSI of Boost. So I already have one full turn in, and at his reccomendation, I gave it another quarter turn, ran the same road at WOT, and it only peaked at 1400. This would lend me to think that more fuel keeps the temps down but I know I have read somewhere that more fuel usually means hotter, I could be wrong.
I have also recorded a video, the gauges are a little blurry, but am doing a little over 70 and she is running at 1050. Also, I decided not to put in the water temp gauge as mine works, so if someone has a VDO Tach for a diesel, I have a brand new Water temp and sender Ill trade.
Here is the vid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJePJTTQzdw
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#6
by
79rabbit4dr
on 26 Mar, 2011 20:19
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LOL, "BalzOnYer4Head," nice!
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#7
by
DieselBalz
on 26 Mar, 2011 21:00
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LOL, "BalzOnYer4Head," nice!
Heh, thanks. Its been my gamer tag forever. Kinda my online persona.
After reading around on the site anyway, it looks like short periods at those temps are ok, but anything sustained above that would be asking for trouble. Also, more fuel equals hotter EGT's according to what I have read around here.
What I want to know is, on the Eco, adjusting the wastegate (turning the screw in) allows for more boost? Or for max boost (10psi) longer? And if I turn that up, will it help reduce the egt's being created by my 1.25 turns in on the fuel screw?
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#8
by
nathan_b
on 26 Mar, 2011 22:03
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More fuel = higher egts
more boost = lower egts (to a point, most agree at around 15psi)
Past 15 psi, intercooler,
when intercooling and egts are too high,time for an exhaust (exhaust maybe should come first.)
still too high time for a giles pump
still too high, water/injection/?? poorly documented territory.
1000+f is HIGH for 70mph. I hate cruising past 800f in my caddy, and thats like 85-90mph, aka top speed.
Normal 65mph=650f
60=600
55=550
but I have a 2.25 straight dp, stock pump tuned, gov mod, k14 with wastegate shut, aaz head helps too boost is like 18, regulate the boost with my right foot, try to keep under 17, not intercooled yet.
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#9
by
adi
on 26 Mar, 2011 23:07
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Iwas always on the understanding that an engine running too lean (i.e too much air/boost) will run hotter, so thats my thinking as to why your man suggested more fuel to lower the EGTs slightly...
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#10
by
mystery3
on 26 Mar, 2011 23:19
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Iwas always on the understanding that an engine running too lean (i.e too much air/boost) will run hotter, so thats my thinking as to why your man suggested more fuel to lower the EGTs slightly...
This is true in gasoline/petrol engines, diesel is a completely different engine design and many rules do not apply to both. The afr on diesels is primarily adjusted with your right foot and is related to power in an entirely different way than in gassers. Do some research on tuning these engines and pumps on this site and much will become apparent.
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#11
by
DieselBalz
on 27 Mar, 2011 05:35
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Iwas always on the understanding that an engine running too lean (i.e too much air/boost) will run hotter, so thats my thinking as to why your man suggested more fuel to lower the EGTs slightly...
This is true in gasoline/petrol engines, diesel is a completely different engine design and many rules do not apply to both. The afr on diesels is primarily adjusted with your right foot and is related to power in an entirely different way than in gassers. Do some research on tuning these engines and pumps on this site and much will become apparent.
It has to work to some degree for diesels as well. Before I removed the collar and turned the fuel up, at 70 (before I put the EGT in) all I had to go on was the water temp, and it would run right at the the third hash mark to the right. Once I gave the fuel a twist, she never went over half way between the middle and third mark, usually just a tic over half.
Im thinkin its cause the Eco runs sooo lean from stock? Im interested in what some of our resident VW Jedi's have to say on the matter.
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#12
by
blackdogvan
on 27 Mar, 2011 08:59
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EGT thread without mention of probe placement... wow.
The probe really has to be placed in the manifold. You can install it post turbo & add 200-300 degrees but its really way more complicated than that. The turbo removes heat but not in a linear way & also dampens temperature spikes. I have the micro-1000 probe & a autometer gauge. Reacts as fast at the boost gauge. You'll wonder what kind of damage you were doing after you get this installed.
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#13
by
DieselBalz
on 27 Mar, 2011 09:37
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Pre turbine. The VDO reacts quickly. If I'm hard on the throttle, the gauge instantly responds.
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#14
by
adi
on 27 Mar, 2011 10:01
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Probe position was actually going to be my next question. Is this a cast of drilling a hole, and welding a nut on there to screw the probe in?